Gunther Fromm

Jul 3, 08 - 5:09 PM

nike's white collar bully machine

Yet another reason to hate nike and the way they conduct "business". They've teamed up with usatf after making them their b i t c h to screw those without influence.

nike=salazar=goucher=rupp=rohatinsky. If you wear the swoosh, you get special treatment.

Goucher, Rupp and Rohatinsky (no doubt taking Salazar's instructions) essentially spit in the faces of Ryan Bak, Hassan Mead and Anthony Gallo- three athletes that would have and should have been in the 5000m final- by either not bothering to show up for the final or jogging off the track and disappearing when things weren't going their way.

Rupp made a fool out of himself by accelerating a few steps at the end of his heat to go by Solinsky. Up comes the index finger and a big smile for the crowd. "Cheer for me. Love me." It didn't mean anything to him. He knew before he even started that he was just using the heat as a workout and wouldn't bother showing up for the final...Which makes it even more embarassing for him to carry on at the end of the race like he did. Solinsky could give a ****. He was qualifying. Why would you try to hold off a clown like Rupp in a qualifying heat? Solinsky grinded his ass off in the final and finished fourth in a great race.

It ain't over. Now Phil Knight's Monopoly of Power (read $$$) is trying to screw a handful of 10k-ers out of their Olympic dream by appealing to slide Goucher in ahead of them without a qualifying time. "Hey, we're nike...we can do whatever the hell we want." Coaches are afraid to say anything because their school or organization runs nike gear or is funded in some form by nike. They know if they say anything, Phil will crush them like a grape.

The 2008 Olympic Trials will be known as the Trial of Irony- We live in the good old USA...a democracy...yet so far, the distance trials smack of a dictatorial flavor. How sad for the sport. How sad for the country. Thanks for nothing Mao Tse Knight.

http://tracktrials.runnersworld.com/2008/07/its-a-slow-day.html

Jeff Skwierz

Jul 3rd, 2008 - 5:27 PM

Re: nike's white collar bully machine

Time to implement a "no scratch" rule. Pull that stunt in the 5k and "See ya bye!" 10k

Jason Bohenek

Jul 3rd, 2008 - 5:54 PM

Re: nike's white collar bully machine

As if evil corporation are new. It's how the world works.

Such a humble beginning for the company too, just get a few d i c ks in there and presto. Evil Corporation is born.

Kim

Jul 3rd, 2008 - 7:19 PM

Re: nike's white collar bully machine

It's quite interesting here as well. Since NIKE has contributed funding for the trials, they are the only brand you will see at the games and at the free festival surrounding Hayward Field. Vendors paid a fee to set up in the festival area but no competitors of NIKE could even pay for a spot in the festival. Dick's Sporting Goods has a vendor permit but they can only sell their NIKE merchandise, BUT that has not stopped their competitors for setting up tents within a few blocks of the stadium. I guess they rented parking lot space or whatever was available. Sporthill, Adidas and others are here. Adidas has partnered with a microbrew and in addition to their tents w/merchandise have clinics and party specials each day of the trials.

FYI: No surprise: Andrew Wheating has scratched from the 1500m. He was seeded 7th (3:38.60)still 2 seconds shy of the "A" qualifying standard. Also, Nicole Blood scratched from the 1500m. She dropped out of the 5000m w/back spasms the other night. It has allowed entry for Jordan Hasay (San Luis Obispo, California), 16 yrs. old, who starred in the 2004 National Junior Olympics. The paper states she will only run in tonight's quarterfinal and then travel to the World Junior Championships which begin Tuesday in Poland.

Ben S.

Jul 4th, 2008 - 11:19 AM

Re: nike's white collar bully machine

Last I checked, Eugene was the birthplace of Nike. Did you expect anything other than a Nike Expo? They have to do everything they can to market themselves because Adidas, and a fast growing Under Armour, is closing in on their market share (31% for Nike and 28% for Adidas, where Adidas was only 18% before acquiring Reebok in 2005).

Jason Bohenek

Jul 4th, 2008 - 1:35 PM

Re: nike's white collar bully machine

True, forgot the trials are in the birth place of Nike. I'd be p i ssed off if I started a company and then vendors came and took up space on my companies birth place to sell their stuff. It's their turf.

But everything else they did is lame.

Kim

Jul 4th, 2008 - 1:56 PM

Re: nike's white collar bully machine

not everyone is sponsored by NIKE yet?!

Believe me, I have a ton of NIKE. My sister-in-law is a regional manager so we get a discount. We actually drove 2 hours from Eugene to Beaverton to shop at the NIKE employee store.

When we go to Boston, it's all about Adidas!

You learn to shop the outlets for the same cool stuff!

Laurel

Jul 4th, 2008 - 5:35 PM

Re: nike's white collar bully machine

I agree with Jeff about a "no scratch" rule. Once you scratch (or drop) you are done for the meet. Would make people think carefully about which events they enter.

Kim

Jul 15th, 2008 - 12:32 AM

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I am not sure if anyone is still following the aftermath of the Olympic Track & Field Trials. I guess I am still on my Eugene, OR high. I thought this interview with Adam Goucher was interesting:

Were you upset by some of the controversy surrounding your appeal to be admitted into the 10,000?
AG: It didn’t help that there was all the crap about the appeals process, and it all seemed directed at me. I shouldn’t let that stuff bother me, but it’s hard to avoid it and not think about it. Plenty of other people got into the Trials on the appeals process, and no one was mentioning them, just me. The articles might have been saying, "We don’t blame Adam Goucher," but why are they even mentioning my name? That makes it personal.

I don’t know if you know it, but I wrote one of those stories. It was what everyone was talking about for a couple of days.
AG: My job as an athlete is to pursue all my opportunities to do well in the Trials. One of the ways you can get in is through the appeals process. I just followed the rules and filed a written appeal on my behalf. And Alberto wrote a letter on my behalf, and my surgeon did, and the USA team doctor from the Osaka World Championships team wrote one too. We all wrote letters. We followed the rules.

This has nothing to do with Nike or John Chaplin. I understand that people with faster times than me wanted to run too. But I’m not responsible for them. I just answer to myself. They either didn’t make appeals, or their appeals were turned down. I didn’t have anything to do with their appeals.

And the stuff about Nike as the evil empire is crazy. I don’t know any company that’s done more for track and field in this country than Nike. And the company has supported me through good times and bad. Nike kept me going four years ago when I was thinking it was maybe time to stop. I have many great friends and supporters at Nike.

I didn’t even know about all the appeals talk until Pete Julian told me he was putting out a fire for me. I said, "A fire over me? What’s that about?" He said that someone was threatening a lawsuit. I said, "What the heck are you talking about?" It was another distraction I had to deal with, as much as I should have pushed it aside.

Kara and I don't follow all the chat boards on various internet sites. She might go to EliteRunning.com because she likes the links there. But I'm oblivious to all the internet stuff.

The only reason I didn't hit the standards was the injuries I had. It's not like I wasn't capable of running those times when I was healthy.

You can read the entire interview at:
http://tracktrials.runnersworld.com/2008/07/a-long-chat-wit.html

acosta

Jul 15th, 2008 - 12:39 AM

Re: nike's white collar bully machine

How about A.J. Acosta, the former high school star now running for Oregon, getting tripped up in the quarter finals and coming in last but getting to go to the semis because he fell. Strategy for next year-take a dive and make it to the next round.

Gunther Fromm

Jul 15th, 2008 - 1:34 AM

Re: nike's white collar bully machine

http://www.prettysporty.com/Photos/2008OlympicTrials/WM15Fall/pages/OT5_7173-copy.htm

When I first learned that he would advance, being awarded a do-over after going down..and in the process trying to tackle Andrew McClary with him because he longed for the company...the first thing I thought of was this infamous plea for a do-over-

http://jtaplin.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/tonya-harding.jpg

Kim

Jul 15th, 2008 - 11:28 AM

Re: nike's white collar bully machine

I am not sure if you read this but Beaux Greer was named as an injury replacement (javelin) for the Olympic team:
http://wordpress.com/tag/olympics/

Gunther: same do over happened in the women's 800m. There was one protest immediately filed after that race followed by those of the rest of the fallen. It was announced that evening that Teter would advance as a result of a protest but the decision changed later to add the rest of the fallen.

Frank Mungeam

After a four-woman tumble in the 800 semi's, Nicole Teter's Olympic dreams appeared to be dashed.

It was the second dramatic twist in two races for both Teter and Bennett. Both sat on the track Saturday, dazed and dejected, after they were tripped in a four-woman tangle halfway through their semifinal heat of the women's 800. The article below talked about Teter & Bennett:

As a result of the tumble, neither finished in the top four, which meant they would not advance to the final. In a rare move, officials later added all four women involved in the fall into the women's final, meaning a crowded pack of 12 jostled around the Hayward track Monday fighting for just three Olympic spots. Hazel Clark won the race, followed by Alice Schmidt. Teter gets the third spot on the Olympic squad

AJ

Jul 15th, 2008 - 9:52 PM

Re: nike's white collar bully machine

Gunther you never put yourself in anyone else position, take a walk in someone elses shows

Gunther Fromm

Jul 15th, 2008 - 10:04 PM

Re: nike's white collar bully machine

Okay, AJ...I give, what does that mean?

not AJ

Jul 30th, 2008 - 9:21 AM

Re: nike's white collar bully machine

shoes

Matt

Aug 16th, 2008 - 2:36 AM

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I know tons of apparel is Nike but does anyone here run in a pair of Nike shoes?

Personally I've never run in a pair of Nike shoes and my "apparel" is a few pairs of Adidas shorts, maybe a pair or two of Nike shorts, and a bunch of race tshirts but then again I'm not really a serious "racer." A lot of times I do run in Adidas socks in races.

Becki

Aug 16th, 2008 - 3:04 AM

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I do. I've run in Pegasus for 7 years, and I have yet to find a trainer I like nearly as much. I also love Nike spikes...my XC spikes were Kennedy XC's and my track spikes were Zoom W's. They seem to have a thinner and less bulky upper than a lot of other companies' spikes, and unless I was sponsored by another company, I doubt I'd ever buy something other than Nike spikes (and even if I was sponsored by another company, I might still buy Nike spikes and Sharpie a different logo onto them). My road flats are Nike Katana Racers, though I like the Brooks T3 just as much, but my current team is sponsored by Nike, so I have to rock the Nikes, and it's not like I like them any less than the T3, so it's not a big deal. The only place I feel Nike fails is for trail flats...I wear New Balance 790's for that. I did mention this to a Nike rep, who admitted that Nike has no plans to make a trail racer...the market is too small and the Trail Less and Coyote (I think that was what it was called?) never sold that well, though they weren't even dedicated racers, but more performance trainers.

Anyone have thoughts on the Lunar Racer (Nike's attempt to bring Flywire to us non-Olympians)? I tried them on and the upper felt really strange, so I didn't bother to actually run in them, though after talking to some people about them, I sort of wish I had given them that chance.

Jesse

Aug 16th, 2008 - 8:22 AM

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The Lunar racer and trainer look ridiculas. However they are getting good reviews, though I think you need good mechanics as they offer no stability. The Hayward is real comfortable though again you need good mechanics. Zoom Elite's look good but have a tight fit. I used to wear structure triax but when they updated from the 9's to the 10's that was the end of that. That was a great shoe for me. Most shoe companies make minor changes to a paticular model each year while Nike insists on changing the entire platform. It's enough to drive a true runner bonkers. I'm on the small side for my vomero's though I still wear them on occasion when I want to give my shins a break from pounding. I tried a version of the pegasus and one 5 mile run in them was enough to sideline me for a week. Would have been better off taping bricks to my feet.

As far as apperal, no thanks. I can't justify paying all that extra money for a swoosh symbol on my shirt. If I ran into something at a reasonable price I would consider it.

Mike Montagna

Aug 16th, 2008 - 8:40 AM

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My shoe of choice is New Balance. I wore several other different brands when I started running and when I tried the NB, they really gave me the satisfaction I desired.
I did try several Nike models, but I didn't like the fit. And honestly the higher price didn't sway me to seek a model that might.
I have been told Nikes run narrow, NB has many wider fits, the SL2 last is what I look for. So if someone told me Mike here is a Nike that might and a great price I'd give them a try.
I do own a Nike micromesh hat that I got at a bargain price but no other Nike apparel.
As a rule I don't seek any item just for an emblem and I don't stereotype anyone if they do.

Kyle

Aug 16th, 2008 - 3:19 PM

Re: nike's white collar bully machine

I've run in several Nikes and currently am beating up 2 pair of Zoom Elite 3's. Man I love them. They are snug in the arch (very mizuno like) and have a well padded forefoot. They have enough stability to compenstate for my biomechanical issues as well.

Currently I also have a pair of Zoom Marathoners that I do my quick stuff in. They run a half size shorter than other shoes. I also race XC stuff in a pair of Zoom XC's I picked up about 5 years ago. They don't have many races on them though.

Matt

Aug 16th, 2008 - 4:25 PM

Re: nike's white collar bully machine

Maybe I just haven't been to the right running stores, the ones I've been to don't sell many Nikes.

Jason Bohenek

Aug 16th, 2008 - 5:06 PM

Re: nike's white collar bully machine

The zoom elites worked for me, then I got my second pair and it started digging into the back on my achilles. They have a weird shape that allows your heel to be further back then your achilles, with a large bump thing. It's stupid, I couldn't go back to them after that. Hurt too much.

Matt

Aug 16th, 2008 - 5:45 PM

Re: nike's white collar bully machine

What shoe do you wear now?

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Gunther Fromm Jul 3, 08 - 5:09 PM	nike's white collar bully machine Yet another reason to hate nike and the way they conduct "business". They've teamed up with usatf after making them their b i t c h to screw those without influence. nike=salazar=goucher=rupp=rohatinsky. If you wear the swoosh, you get special treatment. Goucher, Rupp and Rohatinsky (no doubt taking Salazar's instructions) essentially spit in the faces of Ryan Bak, Hassan Mead and Anthony Gallo- three athletes that would have and should have been in the 5000m final- by either not bothering to show up for the final or jogging off the track and disappearing when things weren't going their way. Rupp made a fool out of himself by accelerating a few steps at the end of his heat to go by Solinsky. Up comes the index finger and a big smile for the crowd. "Cheer for me. Love me." It didn't mean anything to him. He knew before he even started that he was just using the heat as a workout and wouldn't bother showing up for the final...Which makes it even more embarassing for him to carry on at the end of the race like he did. Solinsky could give a ****. He was qualifying. Why would you try to hold off a clown like Rupp in a qualifying heat? Solinsky grinded his ass off in the final and finished fourth in a great race. It ain't over. Now Phil Knight's Monopoly of Power (read $$$) is trying to screw a handful of 10k-ers out of their Olympic dream by appealing to slide Goucher in ahead of them without a qualifying time. "Hey, we're nike...we can do whatever the hell we want." Coaches are afraid to say anything because their school or organization runs nike gear or is funded in some form by nike. They know if they say anything, Phil will crush them like a grape. The 2008 Olympic Trials will be known as the Trial of Irony- We live in the good old USA...a democracy...yet so far, the distance trials smack of a dictatorial flavor. How sad for the sport. How sad for the country. Thanks for nothing Mao Tse Knight. http://tracktrials.runnersworld.com/2008/07/its-a-slow-day.html
Jeff Skwierz Jul 3rd, 2008 - 5:27 PM	Re: nike's white collar bully machine Time to implement a "no scratch" rule. Pull that stunt in the 5k and "See ya bye!" 10k
Jason Bohenek Jul 3rd, 2008 - 5:54 PM	Re: nike's white collar bully machine As if evil corporation are new. It's how the world works. Such a humble beginning for the company too, just get a few d i c ks in there and presto. Evil Corporation is born. Email: aceofspades033@aol.com
Kim Jul 3rd, 2008 - 7:19 PM	Re: nike's white collar bully machine It's quite interesting here as well. Since NIKE has contributed funding for the trials, they are the only brand you will see at the games and at the free festival surrounding Hayward Field. Vendors paid a fee to set up in the festival area but no competitors of NIKE could even pay for a spot in the festival. Dick's Sporting Goods has a vendor permit but they can only sell their NIKE merchandise, BUT that has not stopped their competitors for setting up tents within a few blocks of the stadium. I guess they rented parking lot space or whatever was available. Sporthill, Adidas and others are here. Adidas has partnered with a microbrew and in addition to their tents w/merchandise have clinics and party specials each day of the trials. FYI: No surprise: Andrew Wheating has scratched from the 1500m. He was seeded 7th (3:38.60)still 2 seconds shy of the "A" qualifying standard. Also, Nicole Blood scratched from the 1500m. She dropped out of the 5000m w/back spasms the other night. It has allowed entry for Jordan Hasay (San Luis Obispo, California), 16 yrs. old, who starred in the 2004 National Junior Olympics. The paper states she will only run in tonight's quarterfinal and then travel to the World Junior Championships which begin Tuesday in Poland.
Ben S. Jul 4th, 2008 - 11:19 AM	Re: nike's white collar bully machine Last I checked, Eugene was the birthplace of Nike. Did you expect anything other than a Nike Expo? They have to do everything they can to market themselves because Adidas, and a fast growing Under Armour, is closing in on their market share (31% for Nike and 28% for Adidas, where Adidas was only 18% before acquiring Reebok in 2005). Email: borderben01@aol.com
Jason Bohenek Jul 4th, 2008 - 1:35 PM	Re: nike's white collar bully machine True, forgot the trials are in the birth place of Nike. I'd be p i ssed off if I started a company and then vendors came and took up space on my companies birth place to sell their stuff. It's their turf. But everything else they did is lame. Email: aceofspades033@aol.com
Kim Jul 4th, 2008 - 1:56 PM	Re: nike's white collar bully machine not everyone is sponsored by NIKE yet?! Believe me, I have a ton of NIKE. My sister-in-law is a regional manager so we get a discount. We actually drove 2 hours from Eugene to Beaverton to shop at the NIKE employee store. When we go to Boston, it's all about Adidas! You learn to shop the outlets for the same cool stuff!
Laurel Jul 4th, 2008 - 5:35 PM	Re: nike's white collar bully machine I agree with Jeff about a "no scratch" rule. Once you scratch (or drop) you are done for the meet. Would make people think carefully about which events they enter.
Kim Jul 15th, 2008 - 12:32 AM	Re: nike's white collar bully machine I am not sure if anyone is still following the aftermath of the Olympic Track & Field Trials. I guess I am still on my Eugene, OR high. I thought this interview with Adam Goucher was interesting: Were you upset by some of the controversy surrounding your appeal to be admitted into the 10,000? AG: It didn’t help that there was all the crap about the appeals process, and it all seemed directed at me. I shouldn’t let that stuff bother me, but it’s hard to avoid it and not think about it. Plenty of other people got into the Trials on the appeals process, and no one was mentioning them, just me. The articles might have been saying, "We don’t blame Adam Goucher," but why are they even mentioning my name? That makes it personal. I don’t know if you know it, but I wrote one of those stories. It was what everyone was talking about for a couple of days. AG: My job as an athlete is to pursue all my opportunities to do well in the Trials. One of the ways you can get in is through the appeals process. I just followed the rules and filed a written appeal on my behalf. And Alberto wrote a letter on my behalf, and my surgeon did, and the USA team doctor from the Osaka World Championships team wrote one too. We all wrote letters. We followed the rules. This has nothing to do with Nike or John Chaplin. I understand that people with faster times than me wanted to run too. But I’m not responsible for them. I just answer to myself. They either didn’t make appeals, or their appeals were turned down. I didn’t have anything to do with their appeals. And the stuff about Nike as the evil empire is crazy. I don’t know any company that’s done more for track and field in this country than Nike. And the company has supported me through good times and bad. Nike kept me going four years ago when I was thinking it was maybe time to stop. I have many great friends and supporters at Nike. I didn’t even know about all the appeals talk until Pete Julian told me he was putting out a fire for me. I said, "A fire over me? What’s that about?" He said that someone was threatening a lawsuit. I said, "What the heck are you talking about?" It was another distraction I had to deal with, as much as I should have pushed it aside. Kara and I don't follow all the chat boards on various internet sites. She might go to EliteRunning.com because she likes the links there. But I'm oblivious to all the internet stuff. The only reason I didn't hit the standards was the injuries I had. It's not like I wasn't capable of running those times when I was healthy. You can read the entire interview at: http://tracktrials.runnersworld.com/2008/07/a-long-chat-wit.html
acosta Jul 15th, 2008 - 12:39 AM	Re: nike's white collar bully machine How about A.J. Acosta, the former high school star now running for Oregon, getting tripped up in the quarter finals and coming in last but getting to go to the semis because he fell. Strategy for next year-take a dive and make it to the next round.
Gunther Fromm Jul 15th, 2008 - 1:34 AM	Re: nike's white collar bully machine http://www.prettysporty.com/Photos/2008OlympicTrials/WM15Fall/pages/OT5_7173-copy.htm When I first learned that he would advance, being awarded a do-over after going down..and in the process trying to tackle Andrew McClary with him because he longed for the company...the first thing I thought of was this infamous plea for a do-over- http://jtaplin.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/tonya-harding.jpg
Kim Jul 15th, 2008 - 11:28 AM	Re: nike's white collar bully machine I am not sure if you read this but Beaux Greer was named as an injury replacement (javelin) for the Olympic team: http://wordpress.com/tag/olympics/ Gunther: same do over happened in the women's 800m. There was one protest immediately filed after that race followed by those of the rest of the fallen. It was announced that evening that Teter would advance as a result of a protest but the decision changed later to add the rest of the fallen. Frank Mungeam After a four-woman tumble in the 800 semi's, Nicole Teter's Olympic dreams appeared to be dashed. It was the second dramatic twist in two races for both Teter and Bennett. Both sat on the track Saturday, dazed and dejected, after they were tripped in a four-woman tangle halfway through their semifinal heat of the women's 800. The article below talked about Teter & Bennett: As a result of the tumble, neither finished in the top four, which meant they would not advance to the final. In a rare move, officials later added all four women involved in the fall into the women's final, meaning a crowded pack of 12 jostled around the Hayward track Monday fighting for just three Olympic spots. Hazel Clark won the race, followed by Alice Schmidt. Teter gets the third spot on the Olympic squad
AJ Jul 15th, 2008 - 9:52 PM	Re: nike's white collar bully machine Gunther you never put yourself in anyone else position, take a walk in someone elses shows
Gunther Fromm Jul 15th, 2008 - 10:04 PM	Re: nike's white collar bully machine Okay, AJ...I give, what does that mean?
not AJ Jul 30th, 2008 - 9:21 AM	Re: nike's white collar bully machine shoes
Matt Aug 16th, 2008 - 2:36 AM	Re: nike's white collar bully machine I know tons of apparel is Nike but does anyone here run in a pair of Nike shoes? Personally I've never run in a pair of Nike shoes and my "apparel" is a few pairs of Adidas shorts, maybe a pair or two of Nike shorts, and a bunch of race tshirts but then again I'm not really a serious "racer." A lot of times I do run in Adidas socks in races.
Becki Aug 16th, 2008 - 3:04 AM	Re: nike's white collar bully machine I do. I've run in Pegasus for 7 years, and I have yet to find a trainer I like nearly as much. I also love Nike spikes...my XC spikes were Kennedy XC's and my track spikes were Zoom W's. They seem to have a thinner and less bulky upper than a lot of other companies' spikes, and unless I was sponsored by another company, I doubt I'd ever buy something other than Nike spikes (and even if I was sponsored by another company, I might still buy Nike spikes and Sharpie a different logo onto them). My road flats are Nike Katana Racers, though I like the Brooks T3 just as much, but my current team is sponsored by Nike, so I have to rock the Nikes, and it's not like I like them any less than the T3, so it's not a big deal. The only place I feel Nike fails is for trail flats...I wear New Balance 790's for that. I did mention this to a Nike rep, who admitted that Nike has no plans to make a trail racer...the market is too small and the Trail Less and Coyote (I think that was what it was called?) never sold that well, though they weren't even dedicated racers, but more performance trainers. Anyone have thoughts on the Lunar Racer (Nike's attempt to bring Flywire to us non-Olympians)? I tried them on and the upper felt really strange, so I didn't bother to actually run in them, though after talking to some people about them, I sort of wish I had given them that chance.
Jesse Aug 16th, 2008 - 8:22 AM	Re: nike's white collar bully machine The Lunar racer and trainer look ridiculas. However they are getting good reviews, though I think you need good mechanics as they offer no stability. The Hayward is real comfortable though again you need good mechanics. Zoom Elite's look good but have a tight fit. I used to wear structure triax but when they updated from the 9's to the 10's that was the end of that. That was a great shoe for me. Most shoe companies make minor changes to a paticular model each year while Nike insists on changing the entire platform. It's enough to drive a true runner bonkers. I'm on the small side for my vomero's though I still wear them on occasion when I want to give my shins a break from pounding. I tried a version of the pegasus and one 5 mile run in them was enough to sideline me for a week. Would have been better off taping bricks to my feet. As far as apperal, no thanks. I can't justify paying all that extra money for a swoosh symbol on my shirt. If I ran into something at a reasonable price I would consider it.
Mike Montagna Aug 16th, 2008 - 8:40 AM	Re: nike's white collar bully machine My shoe of choice is New Balance. I wore several other different brands when I started running and when I tried the NB, they really gave me the satisfaction I desired. I did try several Nike models, but I didn't like the fit. And honestly the higher price didn't sway me to seek a model that might. I have been told Nikes run narrow, NB has many wider fits, the SL2 last is what I look for. So if someone told me Mike here is a Nike that might and a great price I'd give them a try. I do own a Nike micromesh hat that I got at a bargain price but no other Nike apparel. As a rule I don't seek any item just for an emblem and I don't stereotype anyone if they do. Email: runnepa@aol.com
Kyle Aug 16th, 2008 - 3:19 PM	Re: nike's white collar bully machine I've run in several Nikes and currently am beating up 2 pair of Zoom Elite 3's. Man I love them. They are snug in the arch (very mizuno like) and have a well padded forefoot. They have enough stability to compenstate for my biomechanical issues as well. Currently I also have a pair of Zoom Marathoners that I do my quick stuff in. They run a half size shorter than other shoes. I also race XC stuff in a pair of Zoom XC's I picked up about 5 years ago. They don't have many races on them though.
Matt Aug 16th, 2008 - 4:25 PM	Re: nike's white collar bully machine Maybe I just haven't been to the right running stores, the ones I've been to don't sell many Nikes.
Jason Bohenek Aug 16th, 2008 - 5:06 PM	Re: nike's white collar bully machine The zoom elites worked for me, then I got my second pair and it started digging into the back on my achilles. They have a weird shape that allows your heel to be further back then your achilles, with a large bump thing. It's stupid, I couldn't go back to them after that. Hurt too much. Email: aceofspades033@aol.com
Matt Aug 16th, 2008 - 5:45 PM	Re: nike's white collar bully machine What shoe do you wear now?