runner

Jul 26, 08 - 11:03 PM

NEPARUNNER

Is it just me or does it seem like this website has not been getting as many race results as it has in the past. I know this is in no way Mike's fault. I just can't understand why race directors are not submitting their results. I can't imagine they are not familiar with this site especially since their races are posted on the calendar. I for one really enjoy looking at all the results and seeing how people finish from year to year. Unfortunately, Mike can not run every race in nepa (well, actually he could but he has to work and raise a family which can get in the way:)) Regardless, I think these race directors need to make it priority to submit their results. A race should not be final until the results reach this website. When I plan to run a race I always look at the previous years results to get an idea of where I stand based on people's performances. Not having results posted is a definate turnoff.

Anonymous ("Anny")

Jul 26th, 2008 - 11:06 PM

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choosing not to post your real name is a turn off as well. If your going to talk negatively about the site, at least sight your name.

Jason Bohenek

Jul 26th, 2008 - 11:17 PM

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lol, I agree. I'm still waiting for the Running with Grace results...

Road Racer

Jul 27th, 2008 - 12:56 AM

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Ha and I'm Still waiting for the sno cove and Dr. Perkins results. lol

Mike Montagna

Jul 27th, 2008 - 5:50 AM

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Anny, I don't see any negativity in Runners posting on part of this website anyway.

Maybe the race directors are lazy or just figure they did there part posting the results at the race themselves and if you didn't get to tsee them tough on you.

It can't be the price, because its free! Maybe they don't realize how important it is to some.
Maybe they figure that since I do go to some races that I should have went to theirs. I wish I could.
But anyway thanks for posting that message.
Some race directors are very good at getting the results posted, I just want to take time on behalf of you who like seeing the results- thanks!

Jesse

Jul 27th, 2008 - 1:09 PM

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What exactly does one have to do to relay results to this site? I will be racing quite a bit this fall and I'm willing to simply take a photo of the results board and email it in, or I'll even copy it down. Do I need permission or anything to do that? Would that be enough information to get it posted?

run-like-you-stole-something

Jul 27th, 2008 - 3:03 PM

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I wouldn't blame the website. Alot of races are lazy is getting their results out or posting their results. Alot of races seem to be getting declining participation ... maybe due to lazy race directors (as it seems good to promote the race results to get your race some pr for next year, etc.).

jerry

Jul 27th, 2008 - 3:26 PM

results

When you register for a race, ask if the results will be posted on "THE WEBSITE". If they are not familiar with the website, let them know about it. Talk to the race director also.

If they tell you that they are not into results, tell them that you won't be back. At least get the names, ages & times of the top 3 (M&F) runners or the top 10, or 20 & send to Mike, esp if the races are class projects and this is all new to them.

Also, if you have 3 friends, have each copy the results for a 1/4 of the finishers.

I agree, I like to see the entire results, so much so that I follow the above suggestions.

Rest assured, if you run in Tunkhannock, you will get the results.

And as always, thanks to Mike.

runner

Jul 27th, 2008 - 5:46 PM

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My original post was nothing at all against this site. If anything it was a plug for this site and how important I feel it is for race directors to forward their results to this site. Mike can only do so much and he already goes above and beyond when it comes to maintaining this site. He should not be responsible for getting the results as well.

Mike Montagna

Jul 27th, 2008 - 8:26 PM

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"What exactly does one have to do to relay results to this site? I will be racing quite a bit this fall and I'm willing to simply take a photo of the results board and email it in, or I'll even copy it down. Do I need permission or anything to do that? Would that be enough information to get it posted? "

No you don't need permission. You could ask them if they plan to forward them or if you don't care to do that you could let them know that you are going to forward the results and they can take it form there.
I don't know how reliable photos are. I have received several photos and some of the info is hard to copy, Also with photos its a bit more work, I have to download it, copy it onto to paper then retype it out.

"I wouldn't blame the website. A lot of races are lazy is getting their results out or posting their results. A lot of races seem to be getting declining participation ... maybe due to lazy race directors (as it seems good to promote the race results to get your race some pr for next year, etc.). "

I don't know if this is true or not. Of course I believe posting results is good advertisement for the next years race. Also it might give satisfaction that there name was listed and would want to continue running that race the next year.
As for declining numbers. I think the gas situation and economy has affected participation along with the fact there are more races going on locally than ever.

There was a time when the big races were for example the WV Striders Cherry Blossom Run, Dr. Perkin Run.

Runners would concentrate on races since they were spaced out. Now take the CB run, its up against the Big Red Marathon. Dr, Perkins was the race, but now there are so many races closer to home that many runners don't venture up there, like they once would.

Marathons and Half marathons in the area and out of the area has also help decline local race participation. Many marathon runners are to rapped up in there training to participate in local shorter races.

So although you may be correct about the race directors, I don't agree that truly is the point.

Thanks Jerry for your stratagy and continued support to the local running community.

Look at August race schedule there is at lest 25 events listed alone. That is the most I have ever posted for one month.

Jesse

Jul 27th, 2008 - 9:17 PM

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What I'll do Mike is at races that I go to I'll just take a photo of the results and later copy it and send it to you. I never know who the race director is at a race so I'll just email them my intentions.

If we can get one person to do this every race we will eliminate this problem and take the burden of the race director. Remember these guys don't get paid to put on these races. I think setting up the race is a lot of work in itself. I'll be at quite a few races and so long as I can access a copy of the results I don't have a problem doing this. Usually they put up the big poster board.

runner

Jul 27th, 2008 - 10:16 PM

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to runner

www.flotrack.com
www.dyestat.com
www.penntrackxc.com

kickass

Mike Montagna

Jul 27th, 2008 - 10:52 PM

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Well, thanks Jesse, I surely do appreciate it as sure as many others.

No race directors don't get paid, but they should to realize that sometimes posting the results after a race could be tedious and time consuming and many runners have other obligations and do not have time to stick around and if the results are not forwarded the runners may NEVER get a chance to see how they finished and update there personal logs.

Sure they are not getting paid, but the runners do pay to run these races, granted its all in the name of charity but it should be all part of the package. Its the least EXTRA they can do to thank those who participated in there event.

I have some race directors actually posting on there entry forms that the results will be posted at NEPARunner.com , WITHOUT ASKING. It does not upset me, I actually think its a good idea and I encourage all race directors to do the same. But the bad thing this year is that can not get them posted as quickly as I did in the past because of work.

Most of the races are relatively small and to write all the names out really won't take that long and the price to have the results posted here you cant beat- FREE! They really don't have to do it themselves, they can assign a volunteer to do it. Heck give them a shirt.

Mike Montagna

Jul 28th, 2008 - 5:54 AM

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RETRACTION-
The primary purpose of this site is to list Running/ competitive walks.
Race directors or anyone else is invited to forward any results of their event if they choose but are by no means required. They are under no obligations whatsoever.
As a runner and webmaster of this site I try to cover all events that I attend.
Anyone else who attends an event could forward results if they wish.

RunsWithMap

Jul 28th, 2008 - 11:07 AM

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Until you run a mile in their shoes, it's unfair to call any race director "lazy". Helping to organize a variety a races has taught me to appreciate everything done by someone who's volunteering their time so I can have fun. If getting results posted on Mike's fine site are your concern, then volunteer to help. As the saying goes, if you're not part of the solution, then you're part of the problem.

Mike Montagna

Jul 28th, 2008 - 9:42 PM

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Running with Maps, I am the one that posted race director is lazy”
But I didn’t say that was the reason, but possibly one of their reasons. . I posted “Maybe the race directors are lazy or just figure they did there part posting the results at the race themselves and if you didn't get to see them tough on you.”

Now you can defend race directors if you want. I know what its like too, I was there myself. I certainly is a lot of work.

So now why don’t you try to explain to us why a race director won’t go another mile to make sure the results are not posted?

RunsWithMap

Jul 30th, 2008 - 8:35 AM

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Mike:
I can't answer why other RD's wouldn't go a bit farther and submit results. Perhaps it's post-event exhaustion, forgetfulness, or a myriad of other things. Using your site to promote the event is likely their primary concern, and once fulfilled, they simply may not think about submitting results. Since you've organized events and you administer this site, it's easy for you to get results up, but perhaps not for other RDs. And with so many different people organizing events across a sizeable region, there's no centralized group coordinating things. I put on a June 29 event for a Philadelphia area-based organization which has one person designated for posting their weekly race results. After handing off the results to him, there was no "extra mile" for me to go, a luxury local RDs don't have. Perhaps your audience can recommend ways of facilitating result submissions to you, but I doubt anyone will suggest race directors stop being lazy.

George Hart

Mike Montagna

Jul 30th, 2008 - 9:06 AM

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Most of the races in our area are well under 200 participants.
Larger races with 200 or more for me when I am copying the results at a race can be a real chore, taking I am guessing an a hour and a half to copy. I don’t know for sure, I never really watched my watch.
In those results that I copy I copy name, age, time and place a check in a box in which females are listed.
Then I have to type the data when I get home, which does not take quite as long.
I realize the typing can be a lot of work for some.

Some directors might wait until a few days after the event as you said which can be exhasting.

I did say in a previous posting I posted “lazy” in regard that some maybe. “run-like-you-stole-something” original posted that.

As I said before my primary purpose is just to list the upcoming events. Yourt right I don’t think anyone would and I hope they don’t “suggest race directors stop being lazy.”

I am willing to go a step further. If a race director wants he can solicit sponsors to pay a couple bucks to someone willing to forward the results to post here at NEPARunner and I will place an “Results sponsored by” on the page or even a banner if they forward it to me.

Matt B.

Jul 30th, 2008 - 9:20 AM

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Mike,
Just a suggestion for you. I have seen at some races that they post the results on large poster board. Taking a picture of the results instead of writing them all down would save you a ton of time. I have done this at some state track meets in the past and they showed up pretty well in the picture.

Mike Montagna

Jul 30th, 2008 - 9:25 AM

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I spend quite a lot of time doing this. This would be to much work for me. If they want they can take pictures and type up the results and forward them to me. Thanks for the suggestion.

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runner Jul 26, 08 - 11:03 PM	NEPARUNNER Is it just me or does it seem like this website has not been getting as many race results as it has in the past. I know this is in no way Mike's fault. I just can't understand why race directors are not submitting their results. I can't imagine they are not familiar with this site especially since their races are posted on the calendar. I for one really enjoy looking at all the results and seeing how people finish from year to year. Unfortunately, Mike can not run every race in nepa (well, actually he could but he has to work and raise a family which can get in the way:)) Regardless, I think these race directors need to make it priority to submit their results. A race should not be final until the results reach this website. When I plan to run a race I always look at the previous years results to get an idea of where I stand based on people's performances. Not having results posted is a definate turnoff.
Anonymous ("Anny") Jul 26th, 2008 - 11:06 PM	Re: NEPARUNNER choosing not to post your real name is a turn off as well. If your going to talk negatively about the site, at least sight your name.
Jason Bohenek Jul 26th, 2008 - 11:17 PM	Re: NEPARUNNER lol, I agree. I'm still waiting for the Running with Grace results...
Road Racer Jul 27th, 2008 - 12:56 AM	Re: NEPARUNNER Ha and I'm Still waiting for the sno cove and Dr. Perkins results. lol
Mike Montagna Jul 27th, 2008 - 5:50 AM	Re: NEPARUNNER Anny, I don't see any negativity in Runners posting on part of this website anyway. Maybe the race directors are lazy or just figure they did there part posting the results at the race themselves and if you didn't get to tsee them tough on you. It can't be the price, because its free! Maybe they don't realize how important it is to some. Maybe they figure that since I do go to some races that I should have went to theirs. I wish I could. But anyway thanks for posting that message. Some race directors are very good at getting the results posted, I just want to take time on behalf of you who like seeing the results- thanks! Email: runnepa@aol.com
Jesse Jul 27th, 2008 - 1:09 PM	Re: NEPARUNNER What exactly does one have to do to relay results to this site? I will be racing quite a bit this fall and I'm willing to simply take a photo of the results board and email it in, or I'll even copy it down. Do I need permission or anything to do that? Would that be enough information to get it posted?
run-like-you-stole-something Jul 27th, 2008 - 3:03 PM	Re: NEPARUNNER I wouldn't blame the website. Alot of races are lazy is getting their results out or posting their results. Alot of races seem to be getting declining participation ... maybe due to lazy race directors (as it seems good to promote the race results to get your race some pr for next year, etc.).
jerry Jul 27th, 2008 - 3:26 PM	results When you register for a race, ask if the results will be posted on "THE WEBSITE". If they are not familiar with the website, let them know about it. Talk to the race director also. If they tell you that they are not into results, tell them that you won't be back. At least get the names, ages & times of the top 3 (M&F) runners or the top 10, or 20 & send to Mike, esp if the races are class projects and this is all new to them. Also, if you have 3 friends, have each copy the results for a 1/4 of the finishers. I agree, I like to see the entire results, so much so that I follow the above suggestions. Rest assured, if you run in Tunkhannock, you will get the results. And as always, thanks to Mike.
runner Jul 27th, 2008 - 5:46 PM	Re: NEPARUNNER My original post was nothing at all against this site. If anything it was a plug for this site and how important I feel it is for race directors to forward their results to this site. Mike can only do so much and he already goes above and beyond when it comes to maintaining this site. He should not be responsible for getting the results as well.
Mike Montagna Jul 27th, 2008 - 8:26 PM	Re: NEPARUNNER "What exactly does one have to do to relay results to this site? I will be racing quite a bit this fall and I'm willing to simply take a photo of the results board and email it in, or I'll even copy it down. Do I need permission or anything to do that? Would that be enough information to get it posted? " No you don't need permission. You could ask them if they plan to forward them or if you don't care to do that you could let them know that you are going to forward the results and they can take it form there. I don't know how reliable photos are. I have received several photos and some of the info is hard to copy, Also with photos its a bit more work, I have to download it, copy it onto to paper then retype it out. "I wouldn't blame the website. A lot of races are lazy is getting their results out or posting their results. A lot of races seem to be getting declining participation ... maybe due to lazy race directors (as it seems good to promote the race results to get your race some pr for next year, etc.). " I don't know if this is true or not. Of course I believe posting results is good advertisement for the next years race. Also it might give satisfaction that there name was listed and would want to continue running that race the next year. As for declining numbers. I think the gas situation and economy has affected participation along with the fact there are more races going on locally than ever. There was a time when the big races were for example the WV Striders Cherry Blossom Run, Dr. Perkin Run. Runners would concentrate on races since they were spaced out. Now take the CB run, its up against the Big Red Marathon. Dr, Perkins was the race, but now there are so many races closer to home that many runners don't venture up there, like they once would. Marathons and Half marathons in the area and out of the area has also help decline local race participation. Many marathon runners are to rapped up in there training to participate in local shorter races. So although you may be correct about the race directors, I don't agree that truly is the point. Thanks Jerry for your stratagy and continued support to the local running community. Look at August race schedule there is at lest 25 events listed alone. That is the most I have ever posted for one month. Email: runnepa@aol.com
Jesse Jul 27th, 2008 - 9:17 PM	Re: NEPARUNNER What I'll do Mike is at races that I go to I'll just take a photo of the results and later copy it and send it to you. I never know who the race director is at a race so I'll just email them my intentions. If we can get one person to do this every race we will eliminate this problem and take the burden of the race director. Remember these guys don't get paid to put on these races. I think setting up the race is a lot of work in itself. I'll be at quite a few races and so long as I can access a copy of the results I don't have a problem doing this. Usually they put up the big poster board.
runner Jul 27th, 2008 - 10:16 PM	Re: NEPARUNNER to runner www.flotrack.com www.dyestat.com www.penntrackxc.com kickass
Mike Montagna Jul 27th, 2008 - 10:52 PM	Re: NEPARUNNER Well, thanks Jesse, I surely do appreciate it as sure as many others. No race directors don't get paid, but they should to realize that sometimes posting the results after a race could be tedious and time consuming and many runners have other obligations and do not have time to stick around and if the results are not forwarded the runners may NEVER get a chance to see how they finished and update there personal logs. Sure they are not getting paid, but the runners do pay to run these races, granted its all in the name of charity but it should be all part of the package. Its the least EXTRA they can do to thank those who participated in there event. I have some race directors actually posting on there entry forms that the results will be posted at NEPARunner.com , WITHOUT ASKING. It does not upset me, I actually think its a good idea and I encourage all race directors to do the same. But the bad thing this year is that can not get them posted as quickly as I did in the past because of work. Most of the races are relatively small and to write all the names out really won't take that long and the price to have the results posted here you cant beat- FREE! They really don't have to do it themselves, they can assign a volunteer to do it. Heck give them a shirt. Email: runnepa@aol.com
Mike Montagna Jul 28th, 2008 - 5:54 AM	Re: NEPARUNNER RETRACTION- The primary purpose of this site is to list Running/ competitive walks. Race directors or anyone else is invited to forward any results of their event if they choose but are by no means required. They are under no obligations whatsoever. As a runner and webmaster of this site I try to cover all events that I attend. Anyone else who attends an event could forward results if they wish. Email: runnepa@aol.com
RunsWithMap Jul 28th, 2008 - 11:07 AM	Re: NEPARUNNER Until you run a mile in their shoes, it's unfair to call any race director "lazy". Helping to organize a variety a races has taught me to appreciate everything done by someone who's volunteering their time so I can have fun. If getting results posted on Mike's fine site are your concern, then volunteer to help. As the saying goes, if you're not part of the solution, then you're part of the problem.
Mike Montagna Jul 28th, 2008 - 9:42 PM	Re: NEPARUNNER Running with Maps, I am the one that posted race director is lazy” But I didn’t say that was the reason, but possibly one of their reasons. . I posted “Maybe the race directors are lazy or just figure they did there part posting the results at the race themselves and if you didn't get to see them tough on you.” Now you can defend race directors if you want. I know what its like too, I was there myself. I certainly is a lot of work. So now why don’t you try to explain to us why a race director won’t go another mile to make sure the results are not posted? Email: runnepa@aol.com
RunsWithMap Jul 30th, 2008 - 8:35 AM	Re: NEPARUNNER Mike: I can't answer why other RD's wouldn't go a bit farther and submit results. Perhaps it's post-event exhaustion, forgetfulness, or a myriad of other things. Using your site to promote the event is likely their primary concern, and once fulfilled, they simply may not think about submitting results. Since you've organized events and you administer this site, it's easy for you to get results up, but perhaps not for other RDs. And with so many different people organizing events across a sizeable region, there's no centralized group coordinating things. I put on a June 29 event for a Philadelphia area-based organization which has one person designated for posting their weekly race results. After handing off the results to him, there was no "extra mile" for me to go, a luxury local RDs don't have. Perhaps your audience can recommend ways of facilitating result submissions to you, but I doubt anyone will suggest race directors stop being lazy. George Hart
Mike Montagna Jul 30th, 2008 - 9:06 AM	Re: NEPARUNNER Most of the races in our area are well under 200 participants. Larger races with 200 or more for me when I am copying the results at a race can be a real chore, taking I am guessing an a hour and a half to copy. I don’t know for sure, I never really watched my watch. In those results that I copy I copy name, age, time and place a check in a box in which females are listed. Then I have to type the data when I get home, which does not take quite as long. I realize the typing can be a lot of work for some. Some directors might wait until a few days after the event as you said which can be exhasting. I did say in a previous posting I posted “lazy” in regard that some maybe. “run-like-you-stole-something” original posted that. As I said before my primary purpose is just to list the upcoming events. Yourt right I don’t think anyone would and I hope they don’t “suggest race directors stop being lazy.” I am willing to go a step further. If a race director wants he can solicit sponsors to pay a couple bucks to someone willing to forward the results to post here at NEPARunner and I will place an “Results sponsored by” on the page or even a banner if they forward it to me. Email: runnepa@aol.com
Matt B. Jul 30th, 2008 - 9:20 AM	Re: NEPARUNNER Mike, Just a suggestion for you. I have seen at some races that they post the results on large poster board. Taking a picture of the results instead of writing them all down would save you a ton of time. I have done this at some state track meets in the past and they showed up pretty well in the picture.
Mike Montagna Jul 30th, 2008 - 9:25 AM	Re: NEPARUNNER I spend quite a lot of time doing this. This would be to much work for me. If they want they can take pictures and type up the results and forward them to me. Thanks for the suggestion. Email: runnepa@aol.com