Oh, that was Bryan from GAJOOB.

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I think people always expect a certain thing. Some people are more open to having their epectations challenged. Some people hate it. Some people don't like it any other way and need to always have their expectations challenged. So we'll always find people turned off by a "bad" recording and those who will not look further. Some people don't really hear the quality, but are more focused on the performance. And so on.




Overall, the quality of DiY recordings has increased dramatically since the early-mid 90's and the advent of digital home studios. And there are tons of artists who are now strictly RECORDING artists who don't play notes but compose with loops and computer software. Kleen for some artists has nothing to do with the noise floor, but more with the sound space.




I've actually always thought it was important to make the best recording you can, even though I'd never focus on that over the magic of the making the song happen. It just means realizing your work more completely. But I've never understood all the fascination with recording techniques that seems to overtake any discussion group of 4-trackers. I've never thought 4-tracking was about the machine.

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Br'er Bret Hart & I were discussing th' biz-nezz of bein' KLEEN on D.I.Y. recordings... since so many of us are joining the "digital world" now, I thought it apropo to bring th' issue UP again... what do YOU think... is a CLEAN recording important? Or impotent? I know this is a topic that was surfaced (many times) by Bryan Baker (GAJOOB), & David C. (SOUND CHOICE) in the early days of tape networking... but has it CHANGES? Or not? Let us KNOW, 'k?

Hi, Bryan,




>So we'll always find people turned off by a "bad" recording and >those who will not look further. Some people don't really hear >the quality, but are more focused on the performance. And so on.




Well, despite what some of my reviews might have (erroneously) indicated (in IMPROVIJAZZATION NATION), I'm not "turned off" by a "bad" recording... for me, it's the ENERGY of the performance that's always got to be paramount... I DO think the digital medium allows for somewhat "cleaner" recording(s), though, & kinda' "raises the bar", if you will...




>Overall, the quality of DiY recordings has increased >dramatically since the early-mid 90's and the advent of digital >home studios. And there are tons of artists who are now strictly >RECORDING artists who don't play notes but compose with loops >and computer software. Kleen for some artists has nothing to do >with the noise floor, but more with the sound space.




Yeah, & (I think) that's especially true for "noise-ists" &


"odd-ists" like Ernesto (Diaz-Infante) & myself... lots of our recordings still get "hit" for being overly noisy, but the energy & oddity still carries it - probably 'coz it's something "new", eh? You tell ME (po-leece)!




>I've actually always thought it was important to make the best >recording you can, even though I'd never focus on that over the >magic of the making the song happen.




Yah, but the cleanup process "allows" for the better recording, without getting the result to be so "flat" that you lose all the energy, methinks... OTOH, there are some recordings where the noise is PART of the energy, eh?




> It just means realizing your work more completely. But I've >never understood all the fascination with recording techniques >that seems to overtake any discussion group of 4-trackers. I've >never thought 4-tracking was about the machine.




Hmmm... well, THAT part I can identify with, Bryan... some of the NG's DO focus WAY more on the recording/gear than on the (musical) results...

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I think people always expect a certain thing. Some people are more open to having their epectations challenged. Some people hate it. Some people don't like it any other way and need to always have their expectations challenged. So we'll always find people turned off by a "bad" recording and those who will not look further. Some people don't really hear the quality, but are more focused on the performance. And so on.




Overall, the quality of DiY recordings has increased dramatically since the early-mid 90's and the advent of digital home studios. And there are tons of artists who are now strictly RECORDING artists who don't play notes but compose with loops and computer software. Kleen for some artists has nothing to do with the noise floor, but more with the sound space.




I've actually always thought it was important to make the best recording you can, even though I'd never focus on that over the magic of the making the song happen. It just means realizing your work more completely. But I've never understood all the fascination with recording techniques that seems to overtake any discussion group of 4-trackers. I've never thought 4-tracking was about the machine.

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Br'er Bret Hart & I were discussing th' biz-nezz of bein' KLEEN on D.I.Y. recordings... since so many of us are joining the "digital world" now, I thought it apropo to bring th' issue UP again... what do YOU think... is a CLEAN recording important? Or impotent? I know this is a topic that was surfaced (many times) by Bryan Baker (GAJOOB), & David C. (SOUND CHOICE) in the early days of tape networking... but has it CHANGES? Or not? Let us KNOW, 'k?

It depends on what you are using the recording for. If you are using the recording to make important business contacts, it makes sense to put your best foot forward. With the availiabily of CD recorders and CDRs in computers, I can't tell you how many times that I've purchased CDs from a band or an artist playing in a club after being impressed with their shows and been disapointed with the sound quality. I'm amased at how many people will invest thousands in digital recording equiptment


for their own project and turn it into a mess.

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Br'er Bret Hart & I were discussing th' biz-nezz of bein' KLEEN on D.I.Y. recordings... since so many of us are joining the "digital world" now, I thought it apropo to bring th' issue UP again... what do YOU think... is a CLEAN recording important? Or impotent? I know this is a topic that was surfaced (many times) by Bryan Baker (GAJOOB), & David C. (SOUND CHOICE) in the early days of tape networking... but has it CHANGES? Or not? Let us KNOW, 'k?

Hmmm,




If I read your post correctly, "important business" = fans after a show? I've no QUIBBLE with that, fans are THE most important business an artist should have... but I'm (kinda') hearing your post supporting the idea that (even) D.I.Y. burns hadn't orter be "a mess"... am I hearing/reading you right? (Also, please use th' NAME/SITE/ETC blocks at the top right of the posting windo, so we know who we're talking to... thx! ed)

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It depends on what you are using the recording for. If you are using the recording to make important business contacts, it makes sense to put your best foot forward. With the availiabily of CD recorders and CDRs in computers, I can't tell you how many times that I've purchased CDs from a band or an artist playing in a club after being impressed with their shows and been disapointed with the sound quality. I'm amased at how many people will invest thousands in digital recording equiptment


for their own project and turn it into a mess.

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Br'er Bret Hart & I were discussing th' biz-nezz of bein' KLEEN on D.I.Y. recordings... since so many of us are joining the "digital world" now, I thought it apropo to bring th' issue UP again... what do YOU think... is a CLEAN recording important? Or impotent? I know this is a topic that was surfaced (many times) by Bryan Baker (GAJOOB), & David C. (SOUND CHOICE) in the early days of tape networking... but has it CHANGES? Or not? Let us KNOW, 'k?

most musicians try to make the best recording they can, given their situation (equiptment,budget, etc..)By todays standards it's easier/cheaper than it ever was.


Assuming of course none of this affects the performance in any way


experience has taught me that "kleen" playin' and recording work well together.


In the general sense, i think "kleen" is good.


It's a lot easier to "muck up something", than to try and restore a sound with some "black box".

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Br'er Bret Hart & I were discussing th' biz-nezz of bein' KLEEN on D.I.Y. recordings... since so many of us are joining the "digital world" now, I thought it apropo to bring th' issue UP again... what do YOU think... is a CLEAN recording important? Or impotent? I know this is a topic that was surfaced (many times) by Bryan Baker (GAJOOB), & David C. (SOUND CHOICE) in the early days of tape networking... but has it CHANGES? Or not? Let us KNOW, 'k?

Greg Segal has posted some thoughtful commentary on the subject at his website (http://www.gregsegal.com/). Look for the "Sound Quality vs. Musical Quality" article under the "Writings" section.



Eric

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Br'er Bret Hart & I were discussing th' biz-nezz of bein' KLEEN on D.I.Y. recordings... since so many of us are joining the "digital world" now, I thought it apropo to bring th' issue UP again... what do YOU think... is a CLEAN recording important? Or impotent? I know this is a topic that was surfaced (many times) by Bryan Baker (GAJOOB), & David C. (SOUND CHOICE) in the early days of tape networking... but has it CHANGES? Or not? Let us KNOW, 'k?

As I see (hear) it, Kleen recordings are desired as long as it does not interfere with the creative aspect of the music. Creativity and originality first.... then Kleen recordings (in order of importance) in my opinion. However, there is some intrinsic beauty in those recordings done in someone's dusty old garage with one microphone hanging from the ceiling in the center of the room......



- Robert H. Bennett

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Br'er Bret Hart & I were discussing th' biz-nezz of bein' KLEEN on D.I.Y. recordings... since so many of us are joining the "digital world" now, I thought it apropo to bring th' issue UP again... what do YOU think... is a CLEAN recording important? Or impotent? I know this is a topic that was surfaced (many times) by Bryan Baker (GAJOOB), & David C. (SOUND CHOICE) in the early days of tape networking... but has it CHANGES? Or not? Let us KNOW, 'k?