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I know this scenario has already been debunked here at RITA a number of times but I came across a few other posts today on FiveDoves that seem to offer more credibility to the idea.
Somehow the context of the Daniel prophecy concerning the "covenant with many" has never quite resolved itself in my thinking.
If you find the time or interest in plowing through these, any comments would be appreciated. 
The Main Thread
DANIEL'S PROPHECY OF 70 WEEKS
THE CURSE AND THE COVENANT of Daniel 9:27
ps. I haven't finished these yet myself
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I'm not sure WHO this guy is? "EAR". But just a casual glance at some of his work is very compelling!!
Seems I return to the study: The tribulation is ONLY 3-1/2 years!! Won't you join me?
At this point I believe 'EAR' is completely accurate about the Daniel prophecy.
It's all about veracity and rightly dividing the Word of Truth!
These were just a few of EAR's posts Googled at FiveDoves! Wow, very good.
march2010/ear312
The new Covenant
The Bill Salus scenario
Kings,Heads,Mountains
The seven heads
The Two beasts of Revelation
anti-Christ beast Empire is rising
Earthquake tracker Too!
Imagine only a ~ 42 month Tribulation?
here's 42 months with Dan Matson, 2017 end-date (this idea...)
or this... using a 2015 end date?
42 Month Timeline to 2015
Maybe this 2015 Date is more accurate than we first thought? Back to the future and the Lunar tetrads of 2015!
Why didn't we have these kind of teachers when we first learned of this
ps. this may have an adverse outcome on our soon expected rapture timing but that's another thread
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This just occurred to me...
This Lunar Tetrad chart works well with the 42 month theory if you just drop the first bogus 42 months and then substitute the Islamic man-of-sin with the BHO figure on April 11, 2012. On second thought maybe it will be Barry Soetero after all?
now, about those pesky Seal judgments? Have they already begun?
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Thanks Melanie!
I spent most of the day looking at this and just couldn't put it down!
Apparently the 1st 42 months have already elapsed during Christ's 3-1/2 year ministry and only 42 months remain!
At this point it looks quite convincing
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May Yeshua takes us all home at the appointed time only by His grace and mercy to be forever with Him and His glorious joy beyond words fulfill each of us everyday of our life.
Thanks Geneustace,
I received this reply from a messianic pastor friend..
(Pastor Jack)
The Tribulation will be 7 years (Daniel 9:27); there is no way around that. Before the Tribulation occurs, the Ezekiel War (Ez. chs. 38 & 39) must take place as it is the lead in to the arrival of the anti-christ, puppet of Satan. The shaman (obama) is not the anti-christ and Russia and Iran are still on the playing field; so therefore the Ezekiel War can not have taken place and then too the Tribulation has not begun.
The time of the Tribulation will be far worse than what the mess that we currently see the world in now. I have come to believe, based on typical casualty rates that before the Tribulation comes we will see 100 million casualties on planet earth and that is small fries compared to the Tribulation where two-thirds of the Hebrews and five-sixths of the goyim nations will be destroyed. All in all, in just over the next nine years, we will see the earth's population decrease from 7-8 billion to <2 billion and all of this is centered around the attempts by various rulers to install themselves as the leader of the one-world government--a spit in the face of Yahweh.
I just hope we are prepared--
Pastor Jack
I don't know where he gets these "next nine years" from because I won't be here . . .
I'm still onboard with the 42 month version though
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Just imagine for a moment if everything that we have ever been taught about a 7 year peace treaty, a tribulation temple and a european false Christ were all wrong!?
weeell... in all probability this may just be the case!
The opposing Messianic view of this prophecy sees its complete fulfilment in the finished work of Jesus Christ during a whole period of 490 years, where the last 7 years is the covenant period during which Jesus inaugurated and displayed the Covenant and he and his Disciples preached the Gospel specifically and solely to the people of Judah, until the Jewish leaders rejected “The Covenant in His blood†at the death of Stephen, after which the Gospel was taken to the Gentiles!
The book of The Revelation never mentions 7 years; only 42 months! hmmmm
Revelation the Revelation of Jesus Christ, Which
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Melanie,
I suppose EAR applies a different translation to the word 'confirms' instead of enforces?
The Dispensationalist view cuts verse 27 out of this linear history and puts the final week in the future, attributing the HE in this verse to the antichrist instead of Jesus...
it's a long 108 page read but very accurate. page 86 begins the explanation
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whoever this guy or gal is, they have covered a lot of ground!
I did a google search on 'EAR' in FiveDoves and just in the last year I found tons of colossal research.
I've never seen this person before and they have been posting since 2005! wow
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Yes , that's true , but how does Daniel's 2300 days fit inside a 3 1/2 year period ?
Hi Tex,
I'm looking through His study of Daniel 9:24-27 but I don't see it yet.
I may have to contact EAR thru John Tng and get his email addy. I want to get the whole series on the subject - looks awesome!
Give me some time
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I'll try and contact John Tng at FiveDoves to get E.A.R.'s email addy.
I will email him/her to get info on the entire booklet series!
Booklets in This Series, by E.A.R. @ FiveDoves
we already have book 6 in the series
more hot links; like hot-buttered manna!
E.A.R. links from FiveDoves & The Anti-christ Beast Empire
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here's one I found online but a bit hard to focus on the text...
Gog IS NOT a Russian Leader by E.A.R. @ FiveDoves
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Hi Geneustace!
there is so much reading and I've been trying to compile all the documents I can find. To answer your first question I'm going to snip a few portions of the work that are pertinent...
Since it is my belief that it was Jesus who fulfilled the prophecy of Daniel’s 70 weeks (Daniel 9:24-27) I see no requirement for a rebuilt temple, nor a Roman ruler to strengthen a “covenant†prior to the Tribulation period of 3 ½ years. Instead, I see a continuing deterioration in Israel’s relationships with her surrounding Islamic neighbours, which will lead to the Battle of Armageddon, when the “Zionist/Crusader†forces of Judah and Ephraim, (read Israel and supporting Western Nations) will be forced to fight against a coalition of Radical Islamic elements led by the Beast and False Prophet. These composite Beastly Islamic forces which rise up from the old Babylonian, Persian and Grecian Empires; desire to take possession of Jerusalem, and the Holy Land, and reinstitute Sharia/Islamic law throughout the Middle East and Europe, just as it did during the Ottoman Empire period, and eventually to encompass the whole World.
...looks like things will simply escalate worse and worse until the Amos,Ps 83 war that seems to begin the last 42 months.
Apparently the Islamic forces win out and defeat the western White horse rider.(??)not sure yet...
God uses the new Islamic world order to bring judgment for 42 months until He defeats anti-Christ and his minions at the battle of Armageddon
Is the Ezekiel 83 and Gog Magog war are the same war? The last post implies Gog Magog war at end of 1000 year reigns of Our Messiah on the current old earth.
question 2, yes, I read that one and he says it's the war at the end of the kingdom age; I'd have to agree!
...when is it? 2012/2013 or 2013/2014.
At this point if I had to guess I would say Spring 2012 until Fall 2015 (span of 42 months). That may push out our pre-trib rapture another 12 months but I'm still hopeful for this Spring.
If we use Dan Matson's timespan of Spring 2014 to Fall 2017 (span 42 months) that would push out a pre-trib rapture another ~ 3+ years!!
The last scenario would be the furthest out I would go though and 2015 looks to be the best fit based on the Mark Biltz Lunar tetrad signs.
In fact it could be even a year earlier, as in Spring 2011 thru Fall 2014 (span 42 months) since the scriptures seem to indicate the blood moons and sackcloth suns occur immediately AFTER the Tribulation of those days...
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At this point if I had to guess I would say Spring 2012 until Fall 2015 (span of 42 months). That may push out our pre-trib rapture another 12 months but I'm still hopeful for this Spring.
If we use Dan Matson's timespan of Spring 2014 to Fall 2017 (span 42 months) that would push out a pre-trib rapture another ~ 3+ years!!
The last scenario would be the furthest out I would go though and 2015 looks to be the best fit based on the Mark Biltz Lunar tetrad signs.
In fact it could be even a year earlier, as in Spring 2011 thru Fall 2014 (span 42 months) since the scriptures seem to indicate the blood moons and sackcloth suns occur immediately AFTER the Tribulation of those days...
Puts you on Sep 23rd 2015, Which is YOM KIPPUR!! as shown...
Joel 2:31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.
There will be a total solar eclipse and a total lunar eclipse before the great and terrible day of the Lord.
Linking Eclipses to the Timing of the Second Coming of Messiah
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an interesting reply by JOSEPH BLACKMON today in my inbox...
Sorry Tom,
there will be "7 years" which will be "Daniel's 70th week".
No covenant has been confirmed yet and when it is confirmed it will be the confirmation of the "Old Covenant" by "the Antichrist", who is claiming to be "THE CHRIST", with Israel, for only the "Old Covenant" & "New Covenant" are Holy Covenants.
"Daniel 9:24-27, Daniel 11:20-23, 30-32, Daniel 12:10-12"
I forgot to include...
"Jesus" did not confirm the Old Covenant for "7 years" and then cause it to cease in the midst.
"Jesus" fulfilled the Old Covenant but He didn't stop the sacrificial system, in fact the early Jewish Church was still attending these sacrifices and even Paul had no problem with these sacrifices as types and desired to be in Jerusalem for Pentecost (Read ACTS, 1 Corinthians 16).
Please read Hebrews 10:1-3 carefully.
If Jesus had ended the sacrificial system then he would have been saying it was sufficient.
Only "Jesus" is a one time sacrifice for sins forever, and that is why the Catholic Mass is an abomination for it is, according to them, the continual sacrifice of "Jesus Christ".
The Lambs would have ceased to be sacrificed if they could make those who offered them perfect, but they went on because they were only shadows and types.
The book of Hebrews was explaining that Jesus is better than all the Old Covenant types, as their fulfillment,
but "Jesus" didn't make the sacrifices and oblations cease in the midst of "Daniel's 70th week",
in fact "Jesus" wasn't even presented as Messiah the "PRINCE"
until he road into Jerusalem on the donkey and the foal of the ass @ the exact end of "69 weeks" or "483 years", after which he was cut-off.
"Jesus" wouldn't even allow himself to be declared King before this date (JOHN 6, Zechariah 9:9).
Jesus was not cut-off in the midst of the "70th week".
God Bless, Yours In Christ, Joseph M. Blackmon
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010
Subject: Re: Subject, last year POSTS by EAR...
Guys,
I'm afraid I'm on the 42 month timeline again. It's just to compelling!
The Post at RITA; be sure and read all three posts...
Joseph provides a new twist to the idea of the covenant! Mory study required
Thank you J. Blackmon! 
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Hi Bro, if I may be able to get into this one, the
42 months issue, may I say that yes, in ch 13 of the
Revelation, its very clear that the beast re. AC is
given power to CONTINUE/make war for only 42 months.
I perceive that a period of Transition Time, following
certain events, ( Rapture occuring, then scrambling, posturing by all of the wannabe king types ) filled
with some confusion, false starts, various failures to
accomplish order in the Mid East, Asia, and Europe will spread across the earth, mostly in the regions
just described, ( with America going into isolation )
and out of that Transition Time period the process to
Set Forth the AC will come. Once he is in position to
throw his weight/the dragon's weight around, then he
is given power to continue/make war for 42 months and
its Gangbusters Trib from that point.
As an aside here, I believe that our Lord revealed to
me some years back, that the 2 witnesses KEEP AC off
of the new Temple site until its Great Trib in your
face time. God's power in made clear before all of
the earth, then those who still don't/won't walk with
the Lord are allowed their 42 month run out of the 70
weeks calendar.
How long is the Transition Time period? Time will tell, it won't be 24 hours, weeks likely some months.
What of the first 42 months/3 1/2 years? It was the
time of Jesus The Christ's ministry as recorded thru
the NT.
Bless You
Dewey
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snip...
As an aside here, I believe that our Lord revealed to
me some years back, that the 2 witnesses KEEP AC off
of the new Temple site until its Great Trib in your
face time. God's power in made clear before all of
the earth, then those who still don't/won't walk with
the Lord are allowed their 42 month run out of the 70
weeks calendar.
Bless You
Dewey
Thanks Dewey!
this is one area where I'm still uncertain yet about EAR's scenario. I don't believe he sees a need for a tribulation temple (but this seems to contradict scripture in Thess.?)
Also the Daniel chapter 8 talks about 2300 days?
Maybe this was fulfilled during Antiocus E. in the original Abomination of desolation? Maybe there will be only one application of this?
But great to have a consensus going! The Lord expects us to put our heads together! We have the mind of Christ and His best interests at heart!
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This just in today! My inbox has been a God-send today!
This is great stuff... hope you enjoy!
G.A. Stewart's Age of Desolation - a reply to his website update
scroll all the way to page 6 to get my original email to Stu
Although I have tiptoed around saying it on my website, Obama is Nostradamus’ Third Antichrist.
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FiveDoves TODAY has created a firestorm over the 42 month issue!!
Rick Hedrick (12 Apr 2010)
Corissa (12 Apr 2010)
Ken (12 Apr 2010)
Ray Schulz (12 Apr 2010)
Gary Kearney (12 Apr 2010)
EAR replies to Randy @ FiveDoves
Drew Simmons reply
Mary Ames (12 Apr 2010)
Lydia (12 Apr 2010)
Marilyn Agee (12 Apr 2010)
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Tom,
Those B&W pictures you are using in your posts are great!
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Regards Jesus Ministry = first 3 1/2 yrs, AC is 2nd
3 1/2 yrs........Do you REALLY think that YHWH will
give the AC DOUBLE TIME over His SON??
I know that this is not clearly set in stone, but, it makes primo sense to me, NO double time for the AC.
Bless ya'll
Dewey 
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Love all the great discussion on this thread. Thanks for having the courage to go into this "out of he box" kind of speculation that causes the serious student of the Word to dig real deep to see if there is any valid evidence to support such a thesis as a 42 month Tribulation.
The Body of Christ will be gone BEFORE any of the 7 year period begins. That is a sure thing........
In Yeshuas name
Tom
Thanks for the kind words Tom!
at this point I have managed to get EAR's email addy and waiting for his reply
This has never been an easy decision for me especially when a scholar like EAR comes along
I'll be teetering on the edge of the fence for awhile until I can really get a handle on this.
After all, if true it would be a major shift on how I perceive future events.
The Lord never said it would be easy but I'm grateful for these beloved teacher/researchers like Matson, Pineman, EAR, etc, etc.
God bless my understanding and keep me from error!
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More new replies today @ FiveDoves...
"Daniel’s 70 Weeks (Responses) Part 1"
"trouble with the terminology"
The 70th week was on the 2nd Sabbath 490 days after his baptism by John
... I'll try and continue compiling these as we go. A lot of different opinions, nearly 50/50.
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"WHITE HORSE and RED HORSE - Rev. 6:2-4"
Many people associate the white horse of Rev.6:2 with the glorious picture of Christ triumphant on the white horse later in Revelation, 19:11-16; where the rider is called the WORD OF GOD.
Others associate the white horse with the Anti-Christ, as a counterfeit of our Lord. However, I see no resemblance between this picture and that of the Beast and False Prophet outlined in the rest of Revelation.
RED HORSE - REVELATION IS COLOUR CODED
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Ditto (other than I see the clock stuck at 69 1/2
weeks) when the church is gone, it ALL goes back to God and Israel ! Chuck Missler in his series on the
book of Revelation stresses that from ch 4 on, its all
about His dealing with the fulfillment of all to do
with Israel. I recommend it mucho.
Blessings
Dewey
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Thanks Dewey,
Thanks Knight Michael,
There seems to be nearly a 50/50 bias to the scenario;
proof enough that it is a difficult subject!
It's a fantastic study and I can actually see this going either way at this point... seems the Lord really has a sense of humor on this one.
Only time will tell for sure how this will pan out.
I've got enough material here for hours of research and the wiggle room time is quickly running out.
I surmise a second coming now sometime between 2015 to 2017 in the Fall.
The 2017 date gives validation for a 7 year Tribulation while the 2015 date points to a 42 month Tribulation.
We will know for sure within a ~ year unless the church is removed shortly.
So then, 2017= Fall 2010 to Fall 2017;
So then, 2015= Spring 2012 to Fall 2015
The Pentecost rapture (this year or next?) will work for each scenario
E.A.R. links from FiveDoves & “The year of recompense for the controversy of Zion� Isaiah 34:8
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It is indeed a difficult subject Scuggers...NO argument there. Otherwise the church would not have splintered over doctrine if it was clear cut. Still Jesus taught in parables. He did this because only those who had the spiritual discernment would understand. If you want to understand spiritual things...you have to dig for it. Even Jesus' own disciples did not understand his parables half the time and would later ask for clarification after the crowds had left. If they who had Jesus as their teacher didn't get it...then we are in good company "n'est-ce pas"?
P.S. thats French for - is it not so...
I am sorry Scuggers but the 70th week is not one period of 1260 days but Two. NONE of the Seals have been opened yet. They wont be opened until the 24 elders which represents the church are there in heaven. The AC has not been revealed. We have not seen the deaths of a quarter of the world's current population of 6.8 Billion that would be about 1.7 billion dead. I have read EAR's posts before and I disagree with his interpretation.
The two witnesses are stationed in Jerusalem. SO what is the point of them being there if the Jewish people have had to either be killed during the last 42 months or flee to Jordan...the faithful remnant which is about a third. So the two witnesses are only preaching to people who have already condemned themselves by taking the Mark? Again pointless. It only makes sense with two periods of 42 months,,,not one.
There has been no Animal Sacrifices prohibited, there has been no Mark of the Beast implemented, we have seen no full implementation of the New World Order, New World Religion or Completely Cashless society...at least not yet. So sorry I could not disagree with EAR more! We are close to the beginning of the Tribulation....but we are not their yet.
Matthew 24:4-25
Jesus answered: “Watch out that no one deceives you.
For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Christ, and will deceive many.
You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is STILL to come.
Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places.
All these are the BEGINNING of birth pains.
“Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me.
At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other,
and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people.
Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold,
but he who stands firm to the end will be saved.
And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and THEN the end will come.
“So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation, spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand—
then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.
Let no one on the roof of his house go down to take anything out of the house.
Let no one in the field go back to get his cloak.
How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers!
Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath.
For THEN there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again.
If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened.
At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or, ‘There he is!’ do not believe it.
For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect—if that were possible.
See, I have told you ahead of time.
Yay Knight Michael!! That seems very clear to me~ merci tres gros! Tres bien!
"E.A.R.'s, "The Letters and The Book Series"...The 42 months of The Revelation"
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