Ok,I know homosexuality is immoral and a sin. But is it possible for someone to have accepted Christ yet still be gay?

This is just so overwhelming right now. I want to cry so much.

I was looking at my cousionTeasia's, FB page. I haven't seen her in a long time and wanted to know what's been going on with her. I found out she is gay.

I seen she had a picture of a girl I knew in junior high,Marchadiz [not sure how to spell,think of the car]. She talked to me for awhile but I think she ended up as a bully. Turns out she is gay,too...

Seeing one of Teasia's photos triggered a flashback of when I was in high school. My friend. Tiffaney did something weird. And out of respect and not wanting to get into trouble it's best not to go into details. It turns out it was a lesbian gesture...Haven't seen her in a long time. She went off to college.

Tiff. said she was a Christian. Is it possible to have accepted Christ yet still be gay? Come to think of it I had another friend in high school,Rosie,who said she was a Christian yet was also gay. I already knew about that for Rosie though.

Anyways,I'm just so overwhelmed. I found out three people in one day that are gay. My cousion,my friend Tiff., and a girl I knew in junior high [she may have been a bully but it still breaks my heart].

Tiffaney said she was a Christian. But is it possible to be gay yet have accepted Christ?

I feel like crying. This is so overwhelming...

It's a sin. But so is lying and you can be a liar and a Christian. The thing is that when you truly give your life to Christ, you want to give up the things that are sinful. You cann walk in obedience and resist the urges of the flesh and eventually be.set free. God is graciojs but He does chasten those who willingly live sinfully. Someone who struggles with same sex attraction can be born-again.

just my opinion- there is no Christian who stops sinning altogether, so lets start there- homosexuality is a sin, but it is an extremely difficult sin because it becomes a lifestyle- so the question becomes does the Christian really want to repent?

mric- here is a good indicator of what I mean- ask Tiffany if she agrees with God's word that what she is doing is sinful, even if she is currently involved in it- if she agrees with God's word that it is sinful- she might be able to one day repent of it.

on the other hand if she refuses to agree with God's word even if she does not currently practice God's Word, what does that indicate? It is hard to call oneself a Christian, and yet disagree with the foundation of Christianity, God's Word

mRiC, I haven't had enough time lately to sit down and learn how to make links clickable on this older site. Maybe you can just copy it and paste it into your browser.

Homosexuals In The Rapture - by Jack Kelley

http://gracethrufaith.com/selah/homosexuals-in-the-rapture/#more-6205

Thank you Cporter and RN.

RN,I haven't seen Tiff. in a long time. I looked on FB and can't even find her. She is now in college. So, I can't ask her. :(

Thank you Shiloh. It's easy. :) I had trouble with that to but remembered you put url/url but you need to insert the [] and than [/] for the second one

url/urlhttp://gracethrufaith.com/selah/homosexuals-in-the-rapture/#more-6205[/]

What concerns me the most is the "gesture" she made when we were at school atleast a few times. I'm afraid that's a sign of bad fruitage...I'm so scared she may be a false convert. Ok,I don't want to sound judgemental,I'm just scared for her sake.

I know there's always hope that she doesn't do that anymore. Thing is I haven't seen her in a long time. Last couple times I seen her was in another town. Once she seen me but the other time she didn't. If I atleast new her FB page I could check...When I talked to her that one time it was only very briefly and was like over a year ago.

LOL! Wait, What am I doing wrong? Let me try this again.

http://gracethrufaith.com/selah/homosexuals-in-the-rapture/#more-6205

YESSSS! Thankyou, mRiC! I got it now.

lol,you got it sister!

On behalf of all of my anxiety over my daughter (who is living a *** lifestyle at the moment), thank you so much for posting that article!

Glory be to God,Patti! It is a comfort knowing the Lord is using this difficult situation for good. Just like Romans 8:28 states. He knew I would worry and make this discussion. Following that He knew Shiloh would come by and post that article. Yep,Romans 8:28 :)


Anyways,Patti,I found a minstery that I think is really going to be able to help you. :hugs: Praying for you and your daughter. What is her name,if it's ok to ask?

http://www.sbministries.org/members/sbm

"for educational and discussion purposes only"

It's a ministery that helps pray and give info. to anyone with family or friends who are homosexual.

What scares me about Tiff. is I'm afraid she could be a false convert,one of many that will be told by Jesus to depart from Him. I don't know her heart,I'm just scared for her. I don't even have anyway of contacting her to see how she is doing.

It's easy to see how my cousion,Macadiaz and Harley need Jesus. It's just Tiff. I can't even find a FB for her so I have no idea how she is doing. And I'm sure college has made life even harder on her.

Shiloh! Excellent article by Jack Kelly you posted!! Saving that one to favorites.

Thank you Sweet Girl. I WILL GO TO THAT SITE. I don't believe she's ***. She's had a lot of struggles in her life culminating in helping me take care of her dad when he was ill.She put her life on hold and pulled out of college for a year to help me care for her dad, as we watched him slowly die. In retrospect, I shouldn't have asked her to do that. We found out during that time that he had cancelled his life insurance policy which was in place to put her through college if something happened to him. So now she has thousands of dollars of school loans to pay & I can't help her right now which makes me feel horrible. And it's just gotten worse from there for both of us. I think she is just searching for a way to be happy.

That article gave me hope that when Jesus comes to take us home, I know I'm going, but I was afraid she would be left behind.
It was causing me immeasurable pain & additional grief. I felt better. . . Until I read the next thread that is.

I'll just keep loving her, praying for her, and keep remembering she is ultimately in God's hands.


I will pray for you that you are able to find your friend.

My daughter's name is Allison.

Hey, Patti Day, that's my son's girlfriends name. Allison. They've been together for quite awhile.
The way I see things is that we all struggle in one area or another. None of us are perfect and to be brutally honest, I have enough of my own shortcomings (is that one word or two?) that I try to work on to be judging anyone else. I think flaunting our sins in the face of others is wrong though too. But as the article stated, God looks at our heart.
I'm the first one to stick up for the sinner who is ashamed or doesn't flaunt it because we all are sinners. I guess it's because I've always stuck up for the underdog. There is nothing that irritates me more than seeeing a sinner pick on another snner. Often times, people need to remove the log from their own eye and look in the mirror.
I think I'll remove all the mirrors from my house...lololol

For those who don't have time to read other pages; he goes on to say.

Fair Use for informational or educational purposes.
http://www.sbministries.org/members/sbm/adminpages/thebible1
Is homosexuality worse than any other sin?

“If sinners will be ****ed, at least let them leap to hell over our bodies. And if they will perish, let them perish with our arms about their knees, imploring them to stay. If hell must be filled, at least let it be filled in the teeth of our exertions, and let not one go there unwarned and unprayed for.” ~ Charles Spurgeon 1860 Sermon at Exeter Hall.

The Scriptures in Leviticus (Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13) refer to homosexuality as an abomination, as detestable. Webster defines abomination as something that is "worthy of or causing disgust or hatred."

The joining of one man and one woman in a covenant union (including sexual relationship) is also a picture or type of the Gospel of Christ. Christ is refereed to as the "bridegroom" and the church (the body of believers) is referred to as the "bride." The two will be joined for all eternity at the "marriage supper of the lamb." The homosexual act perverts this picture to the greatest possible extent. Does this imply that homosexuals are worse than any other sinner? Certainly not. All sin is worthy of disgust or hatred. By its very nature, sin is the antithesis of the character of God. In I Corinthians 6:9-10 and I Timothy 1:9-11, homosexuality is included among a host of other sins — sins that endanger an inheritance in the kingdom of God, sins that the law was designed to punish.

"Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God." – I Corinthians 6:9-10

Thanks Shiloh for the link to Jack Kelly's article.
Excellent read. A few months back I had posted a thread
for prayer for my girlfriend who's son (15 yrs old) had
just told her he was G--. This article is a blessing
and I am forwarding it on to her so she can read it
with her son. I spoke to her 2 wks ago and she said
he has been agonizing about it and almost suicidal.
I think this will give them both some peace and a better
perspective.

MRIC: Thanks for posting this. You never know how
some post can bless others. And the comments here
have certainly done that.

Love you All.

Oh, Morningstar. I pray that blesses her. Sounds like a friend my daughter knew when she was in school. He was also 15 at that time and considered suicide over it. I am so glad she was there for him. He is still alive today.

Rita May, I love you, but I don't know if that made me feel better or worse?!
(I will be SO happy when Jesus comes to get us, and we will be changed, and I can THINK clearly again!)

Shiloh, Sis, I only WISH my Allison was someone's son's girlfriend!
(She dated boys & was giddy(sp)

OH MY - I HEAR HARP-SOUNDING MUSIC!! There's no one out here in the country around me to make that sound!!!
Oh, THANK YOU, LORD!!

Whew! My heart's pounding! It was beautiful! That has NEVER happened to me!

To finish what I was saying (OH, PRAISE, GOD!!) giddy over boys like most teenagers are. She didn't "change" until her dad passed away.

OH, GUYS, JESUS COMING FOR US MUST BE VERY SOON!
Come, Lord Jesus, come!!

Patti dear Sis, I didn't mean to make you feel bad. I am Praying for your daughter and believing for her deliverance. God loves her so much more than we can imagine; He will deliver her.

Love you praying for you too, Hugs!

Oh, Sweet Sister, I know you didn't mean to make me feel bad! I'm not even completely sure I understood what was written correctly, lol, but thank you for your prayers. It does make me feel good that I know without a doubt that many on here are praying for her!
Love you Much!
Patti : )

To answer your question, MRIC, oh, yes, it certainly is possible for a Christian to be gay, as well as being a fornicator, adulterer, a liar, addicted to porn, and God knows how many other sins that comes to mind. But the differece between a Christian and an unbeliever is that the Christian is aware that it's a sin, aware that it grieves our Lord, and through the conviction and power of the Holy Spirit at least tries to resist it even though it's a struggle to do so. An unbeliever just indulges in without any thought to the Lord or about the spiritual state he is in.

A Christian who is in bondage to sin is miserable. They know they're doing wrong and hate themselves for the sin they so strongly are drawn to. They are like a bird who keeps flinging themselves against a window and powerless on their own to resist it. Only the power of the Holy Spirit can deliver a Christin from a bondage like that.

I remember a co-worker that I cared about very much who was gay. One time when I was at work, I saw that his face was forlorn, and I asked him what was wrong. He looked at me in shame and said, "I was a bad boy last night. Please pray for me." I didn't need any details....I knew what he meant. He was clearly hurting....doing that what the spirit man inside of him didn't want to do, but the flesh won out. My heart went out to him because I could see that he was genuinely sorry and was in the struggle of his life.

Well that transgression cost him dearly....he contacted AIDS. He was a young man in his twenties. I was heartbroken. I visited him in the hospital before he died, and I kept remembering 1 Corinthians 11:32 that says, "But when we are judged, we are chastened by the Lord, that we may not be condemned with the world." God doesn't let us die in our sin, so sometimes He has to take us home early like He did my friend so we aren't condemened with the world. As it is written in 1 Corinthians 5:5..."deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus."

But the best thing is never give up, never give into the sin and think it's hopeless to be delivered from it....keep on resisting until the Lord gives you victory over it. And the only way you can do that is to abide in the Vine. Get your strength from the Lord. Only He can deliver us from the power of sin. He will meet you where you are at. If you are at the point where you are not ready to give it up, just say, "I am willing to be made willing to give up this sin that so entanges me",and He will meet you at the place of your struggle.

Dear Patti, the Lord understand what you and Allison have been through. Only God understands your hurts I pray He will heal them all.

He has really blessed you with this:

I hope that means we are leaving here SOON. Many Hugs Sis.

I feel bad. I hope I didn't seem like I was condemning my friend...

Praying for your daughter Patti. :hugs: And I think the Lord sent those harps because A:He's coming back soon. B.To comfort you. And please forgive me if I said something judgemental. I didn't know she went through all of that.

Morningstar,praying for that person,too.

The way I look at it is that our spirits are already perfected in Christ and our flesh won't be allowed into the physical presence of Christ until it too is perfected. Which would indicate, I think, that there will be no homosexuals standing before God. Neither will there be heterosexuals. There will only be glorified saints with perfected love and incorruptible natures as well as flesh.

But sin has consequences while in this world and lifestyles of sin would seem to be likely to get in the way of earning rewards for eternity. Luckily our God has overcome this world.

Email: TxThom@raptureintheairnow.com

Thank you Rita May, love you, keep praying! : )

Lisaleenie, Dear Sis, thank you for what you wrote. It blessed me. Love you! : )

TxThom, I always welcome & respect your opinion! Thank you for caring enough to post!
(On a humorous note, I told Rita May & Lisaleenie that I loved them so I must add, "I love you!" to your note as well! LOL!)
(I don't have a brother and have always wanted one. Would you be up for that?)

Patti : )

MRiC, Sweetie, you didn't say anything wrong! I'm so glad you started this thread! It has taken a huge worry away. (Thank the Lord!) Once my girls were grown, I thought that was one thing I would not have to even be concerned about. Surprise, Surprise!! But rest assured, you did not say one bad thing to me! Love you, Little Sis!!

Thank you for telling me that, Patti! I will pray for your daughter. I, too, lost my father at a young age. Sounds like she is in a lot of pain, losing her father, but don't beat yourself up for asking for her support. Being a caregiver to a dying loved one is very hard to do alone, believe me. I was my mom's sole support before she died, and it took it's toll on me. But I survived, and so will your daughter. At least she had your support in caring for her dad. I didn't have anyone to lean on when my mom was dying, except the Lord. It would have been easier if your husband kept that insurance policy, but little by little your daughter will pay off those student loans if Jesus tarries.

I will pray for your daughter, that the Lord will deliver her out of the gay lifestyle she is in. Nothing is impossible for the Lord. You say that she was giddy when she was dating. Well, that's a good sign! Maybe this is a phase she's going through because of the pain of the death of her father. But whatever the reason, the Lord can deliver her, and heal her of her pain. I will pray for that, and for you, too, sis, that the Lord takes all pain and grief out of your heart.

Much love to you, Patti!

P.S. Thanks for sharing with us about the harps! WOW, that's so neat.
It looks like the Lord's timing to do that was to comfort you at the very moment you needed it.

Thank you, Dear Sister. Thank you for your prayers, also!!!
Love you,
Patti : )

Aw,thanks,Patti. :hugs: I appriciate those kind words.

The Lord works in mysterious ways. I wouldn't have even started it if I didn't come across Teasia's FB. Reminds me of Romans 8:28

He has truly turned something bad around for good.

Biblegateway,"for educational and discussion purposes only"

I do have a question though because I know someone will eventually ask me. What if someone does ask me "Can a homosexual accept Christ and keep being activly gay"?

Forgive me if it's already been answered. I'm slow and need things repeated a lot of times.

I know a Christian can be gay and struggle to overcome it but what about those who are out there publicly supporting it and flaunt that they are gay? Like those who wear shirts that say stuff like their proud to be a gay Christian. I know there is a Christian group on FB that actively supports homosexuals.

Wonderful thread My rock. That is why nasty boy is so hell bent on calling it marraige, making it ok so no one feels the need to repent. Lisaleenie, that was a very compassionate. Post and tugged at my heart. How u felt for your colleague must be how God feels for his kids who sin this way. Also when I said goodbye to my mother,s grave last summer, an old lady said out of the blue 'sometimes God has to take people home early to spare them more suffering, He knows when they can't take it'. It was very comforting. My mother suffered from alcoholism, like yours, so I do feel it was an act of mercy on God,s part to take her home. Even if it left a terrible void in my own life.
Patti day I will pray for your Allison. Grief does terrible things to children. I hope she turns to Christ. As I hope mine do.
Yesterday in the sea here in Italy, my younger two allowed me baptized them. But my two teenage girls didn't. My husband can't stand my fundamental Christianity. Sigh. It makes me sad. Will half of us go up? Half left here? I keep praying, I can't sleep much anymore. I just can't bear the thought of my beautiful girls being left behind. The 13 year old thinks there is a moment before death when Jesus asks us to choose one last time.... Is there a moment before rapture too? I am clutching at straws. And yet want to go home so much. This world,s not my home. I am not depressed. I can appreciate beauty and wonder everywhere. But yet it all feels so meaningless. Strange feeling.
I love you all. When I can't sleep. It's so hot and loud as they stay up till all hours here partying ! I don't count sheep, I pray for all my ritans.... !
Found an Internet cafe at last yay.
Be blessed in Jesus
T.q. Ps am listening to jd ! Or trying to ... On a busy street. Getting some odd looks !!

Sadly,while some people do have death bed confessions,I don't believe that everyone gets a last chance before death. For ex. those who die instently like in a car wreck.

I remember I found out Maddie Blaustein died in I think Dec. of 08. She was the Pokémon voice actor for that talking cat,Meowth [until there jobs got taken but that's another story]. She was on a couple Pokémon forums I was on for awhile and I even got to talk to her a little on the forum. I found out she was transgendered and very against God. I left the Pokémon forum in Nov. of 07 for certain reasons[I was starting to stop with Pokemon one reason was because of pressure from kids from school and decided it wasn't worth it anymore. The Lord used it for good because Pokémon has evil ghosts and psychics on it. He was starting to get me away from it before I even knew Him] and didn't find out that she died until I looked online last year. I was surprised because she wasn't even old like actors like Andy Griffith.

Her death proves a person doesn't know when they will die.

She was ill,nothing major. She never woke up. That was sometime in Dec. of 2008. She didn't have any reason to be concerned that her illness was going to kill her. She didn't have those last moments of her life to accept Christ because her last moments was in her sleep. I keep remembering her hostility towards God. :-( :sighs:

Some people know they're dieing and get a chance to accept Christ during their last moments on this earth. Some don't like those who die instently in car wrecks and those like Maddie. That's why they say never to hold off salvation.

Sister,hope this helps. Half won't stay and the other half go. All of His children are going. :hugs: As long as they're part of the Bride they're not subject to His wrath and therefore have to go.

A friend of mine is gay. Obviously gay from a distance. He was also a momma's boy, living with her for many years. He chose to live a celibate lifestyle because he was both a child of God, and understood the biblical evidence that what he craves for physical touch and affection is abhorrent to the Lord. It's been poignant to watch him live this decision out over the years, particularly when his mother became very ill with cancer and passed away, leaving him alone with his many once feral cats.

He is one of the reasons why I've said before that homosexuality is more cruel than many other sins / forms of iniquity. The need to touch and share physical affection is nearly universal. Having to leave that alone is hard. But reward worthy in the next life I believe. And his chosen lifestyle being in such opposition to his orientation gives him a light to shine for the gospel that I will never have.

Email: TxThom@raptureintheairnow.com

This is such a humbling and close to home thread. My daughter started being " confused " in 9 th grade. The enemy had her for a long time. She choose to be abstinent and soon I will hear the words: I am healed mom! I pray over her every day and I know that she loves Jesus more than her affliction. Sometimes it is hard to be patient, especially when the Queen of England twisters her "blessings" on gay marriage. I am holding fast to God's promises and declare my daughters delieverence. I pray for all of you afflicted by this horror in one wy or another.

I had my shares of sorrow over this.

Many blessings to my dear RITA family.

I pray the Lord keeps her strong,Jesus Girl. :hugs:

Cporter, I was about to say something similar! Lol...I admit I gossip but I am a Christian. I do ackowledge that gossiping is a sin. My only problem with "christian homosexuals" is that they refuse to admit that their lifestyle is a sin.

But we MUST love them, no matter what.

Oyaah.

Email: oyaah@yahoo.com