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Re: "I feel led" Theology

Amen NFJF I couldn't have said it more simply or better thanks Sis.

So I have to go in the camp that God does speak to us through the Holy Spirit - that's scriptural, but we have to discern WHERE it comes from and WHO the message is for. I think most of the time it's for personal guidance.

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The Word is unfailingly true. The heart is often false, and our flesh is bent towards wickedness. So we can only trust the Word comfortably. But to say that there is no divine direction except the Word seems to say that God is removed from His people and no longer interacts with them, which is a sad thing to hear. On the other hand, we at Ritan should know by now that feelings that His return is bound to occur within certain expectations is more likely false than true. We KNOW He is returning. We're pretty sure it's rather soon. We hope it's this week. Those of us who have walked with Him for sufficient time also know that He will sometimes intervene directly, perhaps in a vision, perhaps in an encouraging dream, perhaps in a prompt to pray for a particular person at a particular time for no discernible reason. If it serves to bring us closer to Him and the Word, praise God.

There is a good reason why Ritan doesn't allow "Thus says the Lord" and we are sensitive to much use of "The Lord led me to..." or "I have an impression from the Lord". It is that if what is "led", "impressed", or "said" turns out not to be true then a babe in Christ or unbeliever could (and I have seen them fall from the faith as a consequence) believe that God is a liar and unreliable, when in truth it is a failure of the human component. God cannot lie. But humans can certainly hear what we want, or imagine we do at the least.

So if you feel you have an impression or leading from the Lord, first compare it to the Bible. It will never contradict the Word of God if it comes from Him. Then subject it to the discretion of those who are mature in the faith and see if it "agrees" with their born again spirit. I think the most common leading of the Holy Spirit isn't something like a date, but a warning that something is amiss. And that the more we have put the Word into our head and heart, and the longer and more intimate our walk is with our Betrothed, the more likely it is that we will be sensitive to that leading of the Holy Spirit when He tells us, "hey, that isn't Me".

Or to put it differently, we're only human. That's why the Holy Spirit was given to us to remain with us forever. Our comforter / advocate / helper who will lead us in all truth. (John 14:16-17) "But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come." John 16:13

Gosh, I guess the Bible does say that He will tell us what is to come. And Whom.

Email: TxThom@raptureintheairnow.com

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"What we have here is - failure to communicate."

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Great points one and all. To be sure I have also vascilated between both extremes. I know all things are possible with the Lord, but may not always be probable. Indeed, much discernment is needed. I also am weary of many promises that have been made that have fallen short. I also am guilty of believing that I have heard from the Lord, and haven't, and having felt the Lord let me down. Although a consistently spirit controlled life is impossible, when manifested it is truly glorious. I try really hard not to throw out the baby with bath water, but am also mindful that the baby doesn't live in the tub. The prophetic is truly a gift of God. I also guard my heart against SELF - DECEPTION. I can be deceived on occasion, by many things, people, and by the enemy, but truly guard against being constantly self-deceived. Lastly, I believe that our God given emotions are legitimate, but have limits. Love, compassion, empathy, etc. and like emotions are valid but can also be mis-placed, when it violates the heart of God. I find that generally emotions are 180 degrees in conflict with and tear down un-conditional love. Either His towards us, or ours towards him and others. For those that are led by their emotions only always vascilate. Point being, there is a time for emotions, and time to set them aside. This also is the biggest problem with psycology. A multi billion dollar industry which strives on but one all important question, How does that make you feel? Who cares. How many marriages have been broken by this false remedy! Emotions and un-conditional love are diametrically opposed. So too, when sprinkled with prophecy, it is so deceiving.

Love & blessings...Tender Reed

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Well said, TR. I agree with you on all points.

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Lavoitheway, Shiloh, Becka Becks, very well said, as we well know, The Holy Spirit is not dormant in us and continues to work in each and everyone of us
in teaching and guiding us through the Word. He imparts to each of us Gifts of the Spirit which differs in each individual believer, and in instances it is for personal edification, at times for the body of Christ, but never delineating from the Word of God. Does He give some of us Dreams? Yes He does as I have experienced, but 95% of my dreams I disregard as they are confusing and have no biblical soundness to them, and most are just for me personally. Is the Lord quickening our spirits of His soon return? Yes He is and I'm sure this is one thing we can all agree on because we know this in our spirits as we read God's signs of the end times in His Word and seeing evil growing worse and worse. One thing I have learned if I've learned anything, is one of the Rules of learning the scriptures is
"Let scripture speak to you, do not speak your own words into scripture."
God Bless.

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I, too, have had revelations from the Spirit, but so far, they have been for me personally with dreams and words from the Lord. But there's a line between a word FROM the Lord and speaking FOR the Lord. I think that's what the difference is in this discussion.

An impression or a dream can be taken far, far off base and twisted to fit whatever agenda we think it does and then it grows its own legs and suddenly we're speaking FOR God (Charity's 5,6,7 Jesus dream comes to mind). It *must* be from the Lord so we're going to pretzel this dream into Scripture until it makes sense!

But sometimes, we just have spicy food before dinner. In all the dreams/impressions I got from God, they were *all* obviously from Him. But like I said above, they were for me personally.

~~Becka

Email: rebeccagoings@gmail.com

Website: http://yahwehishisname.blogspot.com

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Thanks RitaMay

Lavoietheway - I just reread what I wrote and it didn't sound like I meant it - I meant to say that was a beautiful testimony that I like to share

An impression or a dream can be taken far, far off base and twisted to fit whatever agenda we think it does and then it grows its own legs and suddenly we're speaking FOR God


Exactly right Becka. All of mine have been personal as well so I can't really speak for the validity of those who have had (or claimed to have had) visions, dreams, or been led for a corporate purpose.

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Thanks Becka. You said it well. I think we all know that the Lord speaks tu us in many different ways - He knows how to get our attention. It is when we think his message to us is suddenly prophetic and meant for all that we err.

Thanks for your reply, JustFaithNoFear. You must be getting me mixed up with someone else re. testimony you mention.

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I look at it this way. Ezekiel 3:17-19 says:

17 Son of man, I have made thee a watchman unto the house of Israel: therefore hear the word at my mouth, and give them warning from me.

18 When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.

19 Yet if thou warn the wicked, and he turn not from his wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul.

To me, if someone believes that God has given them a message, dream, word of knowledge or a vision and shares it, it may be because they are trying to be obedient to Gods will. If the Holy Spirit instructs me personally to "Write this down" what good does it do to write it down if it is not shared? So a spider in my house can read it? I would rather you,or anyone else speak against me and what I post than  have God chastise me for not sharing and being obedient to what He tells me to do. And surely I don't want the blood of someone I didn't warn on my hands.

Are there questionable words,dreams,visions etc out there? Indeed I myself have questioned a number of things people have posted in various places. Everything is filtered though our human body, which is fallible. God isnt making a mistake but mans interpretation can be. Everyone of us. We all make mistakes, even in interpreting the Word of God.

1Cor 14:5 I wish you could all speak in tongues, but even more I wish you could all prophesy. For prophecy is greater than speaking in tongues, unless someone interprets what you are saying so that the whole church will be strengthened.6 Dear brothers and sisters, if I should come to you speaking in an unknown language, how would that help you? But if I bring you a revelation or some special knowledge or prophecy or teaching, that will be helpful. 7 Even lifeless instruments like the flute or the harp must play the notes clearly, or no one will recognize the melody. 8 And if the bugler doesn’t sound a clear call, how will the soldiers know they are being called to battle?

Paul clearly supports prophesying-be it some revelation,knowledge,prophecy or a teaching. 

People have the ability to read,listen, watch or follow such messages. No-one is making anyone do so, just as Abba doesn't make
anyone follow His Word.
I appreciate it when I have posted something when someone says it was helpful to them. Does it make me proud or self-righteous? No. Actually it makes me feel a bit uncomfortable and I don't know what to say. Do I get excited when I think something I have been shown may be happening? Yes it does, as it shows me and others that God is still revealing His Truths to the people of today. It's a great deception by the enemy to make people believe the Holy Spirit is not for today.

We are also told that if we see a brother or sister sinning we should
bring it up to them
in private. So if you "feel" that someone is being self-righteous or proudful (which is subjective) then IN LOVE, discuss it with them in private. This process is discussed in the Word.

Email: GodIsLove5bc@gmail.com

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Amen Godislove. Personally I enjoy reading what God is showing some of the saints. I can use discernment and sometimes I do feel it's a bit out there.
Sometimes it bears witness with my spirit and gives me joy.

We are all at different stages in our walk with God and I agree with you we can choose not to read if we do not agree with dreams or visions, or an impression from the Lord.

1 Thessalonians 5:19-21, the apostle Paul writes, “Do not quench the Spirit. Do not despise the words of prophets, but test everything; hold fast to what is good.” This Scripture warns us to prove and judge prophecy, NOT THE PROPET, if some elements may not seem to relate at the present time.

If a person does not understand a portion of a prophetic utterance they should be careful not to reject it immediately as false. It may be that the word refers to something that is yet to come in the person's life and they do not yet have knowledge of it. Instead, the person should put the word "on the shelf" for prayerful consideration at a later time.





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Rita May
Amen Godislove. Personally I enjoy reading what God is showing some of the saints. I can use discernment and sometimes I do feel it's a bit out there.

Sometimes it bears witness with my spirit and gives me joy.

We are all at different stages in our walk with God and I agree with you we can choose not to read if we do not agree with dreams or visions, or an impression from the Lord.


I echo the above sisters ~~ how important it is, too, when 'seeing' in Spirit Christ-led humility through the vision expressed ~~ another indicator the devil can't stand nor knows nothing of, is when the vision does give forth joy while exalting Jesus Christ, honoring His word ~~

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I agree with everything that my dear sister God is Love has stated here on her response to your post and I echo her sentiments.

Lavoietheway, my dear sister in Christ, It disappoints me that many here are not giving those of us that post dreams and visions the benefit of the doubt that discernment was used and that the Holy Spirit was present prior to posting a dream or vision. It is a given, that discernment needs to be used regarding ALL GIFTS of the Holy Spirit not just for dreams and visions.

Yes, I agree with you that at times perhaps, the dream or vision someone has received might be going by their feelings and not the Holy Spirit and we have to be so careful not to go that route or to even post it. Every message should be from the Lord and match up with the word of God.

In 2011, like many of my brothers and sisters here in Christ, is when the Lord began to give me dreams and visions and I consider this gift a privilege and I am humbly honored and grateful that the Lord would choose me. It was a gift the Lord graciously gave me since 2011 when the Lord started pouring out his spirit on the flesh and waking many of us up to be watchers and faithful servants. All the Glory goes to God!

There have been many times, where I have had a dream and I wait for instructions from the Lord as to what to do with the information He has given me. We should always be cautious and not be impulsive. There have also been instances where I have not posted a dream or vision that I have received because it was not from the Lord.

Also, I feel that we all have different gifts of the Holy Spirit and they should be respected and embraced. If one does not feel comfortable reading dreams and visions you are not obligated to read them. There are posts on RITAN that I gravitate to and led in my spirit to read and respond to and others I do not and that is okay. I have always enjoyed reading my brothers and sister's visions and dreams and I have gained insight from the Lord through their warnings or encouraging message. We can all learn something from each other through Christ working in us.

Everyone is given a gift from the Holy Spirit and we are responsible to share it with the Body of Christ when the Lord gives you instructions to share it, even though it might be personal in nature, the message could benefit the Body of Christ as a whole and the Lord instructs you to share it and we need to be obedient. Ezequiel 3:17-19.

I have noticed here on RITAN that dreams and visions have always been an issue that has been brought up and I know this is important that discernment should always be used and not going by one's feelings. I am totally aware that there could be many false prophets out there and we need to be extra careful not to mislead anyone.

Thankfully, our dreams and visions are forwarded to the MODS for review and I feel better about them checking every dream and vision and taking that extra step is a good idea. So far, up to this date, I have yet to have one of my dreams or visions rejected by the MODS and that is a good thing and further confirmation that the vision or dream was from the Lord.

I will always have my heart open for correction and I have no problem with a fellow brother or sister in Christ taking me aside to correct me if I have done something wrong that does not line up to scripture or if I have offended them here on this site with one of my posts. Keep in mind, we are all not perfect and will make mistakes from time to time.


I have noticed here on RITANl that there are times, that those that have the gift of dreams and visions are held to a higher standard and underestimated more so than those that have other gifts of the Holy Spirit. We need to embrace and respect ALL GIFTS of the Holy Spirit that the Lord has blessed each and everyone of us with and be united in the Body of Christ.

Love you all,

AngelWings7

Acts 2:17
New King James Version (NKJV)
17 ‘And it shall come to pass in the last days, says God,
That I will pour out of My Spirit on all flesh;
Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,
Your young men shall see visions,
Your old men shall dream dreams.


1 Corinthians 12:1-27
New King James Version (NKJV)
Spiritual Gifts: Unity in Diversity
12 Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I do not want you to be ignorant: 2 You know that you were Gentiles, carried away to these dumb idols, however you were led. 3 Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God calls Jesus accursed, and no one can say that Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit.
4 There are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5 There are differences of ministries, but the same Lord. 6 And there are diversities of activities, but it is the same God who works all in all. 7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to each one for the profit of all: 8 for to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit, to another the word of knowledge through the same Spirit, 9 to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healings by the same Spirit, 10 to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another discerning of spirits, to another different kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues. 11 But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually as He wills.
Unity and Diversity in One Body
12 For as the body is one and has many members, but all the members of that one body, being many, are one body, so also is Christ. 13 For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free—and have all been made to drink into one Spirit. 14 For in fact the body is not one member but many.
15 If the foot should say, “Because I am not a hand, I am not of the body,” is it therefore not of the body? 16 And if the ear should say, “Because I am not an eye, I am not of the body,” is it therefore not of the body? 17 If the whole body were an eye, where would be the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where would be the smelling? 18 But now God has set the members, each one of them, in the body just as He pleased. 19 And if they were all one member, where would the body be?
20 But now indeed there are many members, yet one body. 21 And the eye cannot say to the hand, “I have no need of you”; nor again the head to the feet, “I have no need of you.” 22 No, much rather, those members of the body which seem to be weaker are necessary. 23 And those members of the body which we think to be less honorable, on these we bestow greater honor; and our unpresentable parts have greater modesty, 24 but our presentable parts have no need. But God composed the body, having given greater honor to that part which lacks it, 25 that there should be no schism in the body, but that the members should have the same care for one another. 26 And if one member suffers, all the members suffer with it; or if one member is honored, all the members rejoice with it.


1 John 4:1
New King James Version (NKJV)
4 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world.


James 1:5
New King James Version (NKJV)
5 If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives to all liberally and without reproach, and it will be given to him.


Genesis 37:5
New King James Version (NKJV)
5 Now Joseph had a dream, and he told it to his brothers; and they hated him even more.


1 Peter 4:10
New King James Version (NKJV)
10 As each one has received a gift, minister it to one another, as good stewards of the manifold grace of God.


Romans 12:6-8
New King James Version (NKJV)
6 Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, let us use them: if prophecy, let us prophesy in proportion to our faith; 7 or ministry, let us use it in our ministering; he who teaches, in teaching; 8 he who exhorts, in exhortation; he who gives, with liberality; he who leads, with diligence; he who shows mercy, with cheerfulness.


Romans 12:6-8
New King James Version (NKJV)
6 Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, let us use them: if prophecy, let us prophesy in proportion to our faith; 7 or ministry, let us use it in our ministering; he who teaches, in teaching; 8 he who exhorts, in exhortation; he who gives, with liberality; he who leads, with diligence; he who shows mercy, with cheerfulness.


1 Timothy 4:14-16
New King James Version (NKJV)
14 Do not neglect the gift that is in you, which was given to you by prophecy with the laying on of the hands of the eldership. 15 Meditate on these things; give yourself entirely to them, that your progress may be evident to all. 16 Take heed to yourself and to the doctrine. Continue in them, for in doing this you will save both yourself and those who hear you.



















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I agree that this "being led" mentality is tenuous at best. This is so, because we constantly overlay our feelings/emotions upon everything we consider. And though emotions are as legitimate as belly buttons, as everyone has them, we undermine the principle of decision and commitment based on how we feel. Dream, visions, words from the Lord, etc are no exception. Sadly though, this does violate the principle of unconditional love. His unconditional love for us, and ours for Him. Even the unconditional love between man & wife, which is a covenant relationship, not a contract. As this principle is not based on emotions, but rather decision. As stated on another thread, sorry ladies there is a time for emotions, and a time to set them aside. For to apply emotions as a standard to accept or implement tenants of a covenant relationship destroys the function of grace! As we are commanded to love the Lord with our whole being; body, soul and spirit, so too, we must also apprehend this same spirit within fleshly marriage, and imitate God's love of us, towards our spouse's. And embrace the things of God likewise. So as we approach the giftings and callings of God, we realize that the gifts of the spirit, are simply tools. They are not the ultimate goal. Sadly, much theology has catered to itchy ears and hearts, to teach such things. As we receive His grace and demonstrate that towards others, we operate in the spirit of God, saying that it's all about Him. When we dismiss God's grace in our relationship with Him or others, we are stating that it is all about ourselves! Big difference! And the Lord knows that difference.

Love & blessings...Tender Reed

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Hi Lavoietheway,

As some one who has been led by God in different ways, I must disagree with you. I haven't gotten to read every response here and have only skimmed the reading you posted. However, I can respond directly to your thoughts.

The Word is God--Scripture is God's breath(John 1:1,2 Tim 3:16-17). God is also "Spirit". I agree with "Make it count" in that you seem to leave out the importance of the Holy Spirit's work in our lives. But the Scripture teaches that the Holy Spirit does several things. These scriptures I will post, regardless of the surrounding context, teach what is true for all believers, simply because it tells what the Holy Spirit does, which does not change with us.

"When they bring you before the synagogues and the rulers and the authorities, do not worry about how or what you are to speak in your defense, or what you are to say; for the Holy Spirit will teach you in that very hour what you ought to say." Luke 12:12

"But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. John 16:13

"The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God's children." Romans 8:16

The Holy Spirit teaches us. Jesus knows the scripture do as well, but if he is only talking about the scriptures, why bring up the Spirit?


God does not have to speak us but he DOES. Why? Simply because he isn't a walking text book, rather he is a living, breathing God. He has a personality, he has a plan, he has a great love. He want to talk to us, he wants to interact us, not just through reading the bible, but through his Spirit. For example, I'm a college student. I can be sitting in the library, writing a paper, be far away from my bible, yet feel a nice warmth on my back. Other times, I can stop and think. "I love you God", then get back to work only to have something flash through my mind so quickly, I couldn't have even thought it. "I love you too sweetheart". That's just one example of a living , breathing God.

Moreover, there are believers in the world who don't even have access to the Word, some who can't even read. As for us who do have it, it is the Holy Spirit that will teach us how to apply scripture. For all believers, its the Holy Spirit that will allow us to be intimate with God.

"God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth." John 4:24

Don't get me wrong, I agree that scripture is supreme. I don't believe there will be any new revelation given in this life but the revelation we do have is neither easy to apply nor study. Anyone who reads the bible can tell you its DEEP, full of riches. There are mysteries of theology that need to be explained. The Holy Spirit will allow you to go deeper in the scripture, not your own mind. "The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God." 1 Corinthians 2:10


Therefore God can lead us in a variety of ways, whether it be just through reading the bible or a combination of his Spirit confirming or illuminating a principle in the bible. Each of the ways will compliment and be confirmed by Scripture, not contradict or depart from it. You and this article are proposing that the believer be limited when God want us to have both his Spirit and his Word.

Finally, I will leave you with these thoughts. If the we are not to be "led" why is there so much emphasis in scripture on testing the spirits? After all, what's to test? Can't we just read the bible and figure out what's in it or not? Secondly, what about Paul's mention of the Lord opening "doors" ( 2 Corinthians 2:12, Colossians 4:2)? Why does the Psalmist proclaim "Delight in the Lord and he shall give you the desires of your heart?" (37:4). That psalm can literally be interpreted as God will give you the desires you feel if you focus on him. Many believers, including myself, have attested to having a dream, a strong desire to do something, from our own feelings, and found it later to be God's plan for us ( I personally had someone confirm and tell me what I already "felt" was where God called me, without me telling that person anything at all about it).

God is the maker of our feelings. He can use them. He can lead a person by planting thoughts and even "feelings" in that person. I don't think its wise to dismiss them. The key is not to ignore your feelings but rather discern if your feelings are from God, the devil--or most naturally, yourself. Basically, use the gift of discernment and compare your findings with scripture. Other believers can help with this discernment as well.

***I will also add that those who receive the more "special" experiences can be prone to pride. I fully confess of falling into that sin myself. But the Lord has shown me more and more "not to think of myself more highly than I aught", that no matter our gift we are all equal in his eyes. And our gifts should be used to edify the body, not show off.




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Stick to The Word ! ~~ I believe that for all times .
>>But what happens when what you say or see is in The Word , and it is still not accepted ?
Some Christians say : " that is not for TOday ! "

there is my frustration sometimes ....a lotta the time. .
bb

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ohodijia
God does not have to speak us but he DOES. Why? Simply because he isn't a walking text book, rather he is a living, breathing God. . . "not just through reading the bible, but through his Spirit. . . . Its the Holy Spirit that will allow you to be intimate with God.

"God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth." John 4:24


agreed ~~~Scripture speaks of Jesus as the LIVING WORD ~~ Spiritual intimacy is what our Lord of the Universe is after, ~~ giving us His Comforter, His Heart showing us HE IS more than a doctrine ~~He is Spirit and Truth, with whispers to us, of His desire to 'commune' with His dear children . . . .

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I think we need to take a step back here and clarify what we're talking about.

The question here is NOT:

1) does God still speak?
2) does God lead us?
3) does God give us things that we can or should share with one another?

Nobody is arguing that these things can, and do happen. Yes, our God is a living God. Yes, God still speaks. To deny that is to close ourselves off to hearing the voice of the Lord, in our daily lives, and in our lives together as His church. I don't want to put words in anyone else's mouth, but I don't see anyone in this thread denying that the Lord still speaks.

What IS being said:

1) The Word has primacy. Always, over all things.
2) We must "test the spirits, to see if these things are of God".

What this means for us is that while yes, the Lord speaks, we must test that which we have heard. We have to test those things that we "feel led" to share, against God's Word. Why do we do this? ...because if the message is truly of the Lord, it will be consistent with the revelation the Lord has handed down in His Word, because the origin is the same - Jesus Christ!

This is the point of this thread.

Now, what I think is being stressed, and what I wholeheartedly agree NEEDS to be stressed, and particularly now, as we see the Lord's return approaching, is that we need to be ever more vigilant in terms of sorting out our own thoughts and feelings from divine revelation; and particularly in a community such as this, where we have Christians "old" and "new", some of whom know Scripture inside out, and some of whom may be coming to it with new eyes. We have a responsibility, as a community, to be discerning, to be careful, and to be immersed in God's Word to the point where we can spot the difference. This is why the moderation process here is so important.

...but with that said, there is an increasing concern among many members here (and it's a concern that yes, I share), that our conversations are more and more often relating to things that aren't Scriptural and don't have that Biblical basis. Now, I think we have fair reasons for this - as I've said before, I think we're all longing so much for the Lord's return, and spending so much time looking up, that it's beginning to make our eyeballs bleed. That's completely understandable. However, it does stress just how important it is that we get back to the basics of adhering to God's Word, and testing everything we hear against that. ...and while for many of us, we can sit down and discern these things for ourselves, there are those among us who are newer to the faith who simply may not have the tools yet to do so - and they need to be a) protected, and b) given the example of a community that is willing to "test the spirits" in all things.

So... my point?

don't be discouraged here. If you feel the Lord is leading you to speak, nobody, by any means, wishes to discourage you from doing so...

BUT...

Biblically, Scripturally, and even according to the rules of our little community here, we should, we MUST, test these things FIRST. Prayerfully, earnestly seeking the Lord to find out whether this is for one, or for all - and testing by His Word to see if it is consistent with what He has shown us to be true.

Now, I know that many here DO these things.
If that's you, then the exhortation of this thread doesn't apply to you as a criticism, but of course serves as a reminder to us all.

Either way, it's a timely reminder of just how important it is that we stick closely to the Word of God, especially as we see the Day approaching. There is so much confusion out there, and so many different theories, ideas and conflicting arguments. We need to be detracting from that noise with a single, coherent message: The Lord is coming soon, and the signs He has given are all around us... and not adding to that noise.

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Thank you, Benjamin. You layed that out well.
No one is saying that people don't hear from the Lord. People seemed to get a little defensive about that. If someone says, "I have a word for the body.", wouldn't it would be foolish of us not to test the spirits and to just take anything we read or hear at face value? God speaks through His Word. A word for someone or the body will never contradict God's written Word. That's all anyone is trying to say here. If someone wants to chide me for testing the spirits, then there is a serious problem. I would tell anyone, "TEST THIS" after I gave them something that I thought was a word from the Lord.
Lovoietheway, sorry your thread got hi-jacked.

Re: "I feel led" Theology

Keeping a balanced perspective ~~ to deny dreams and visions are for today needs discernment as well ~~~

In the New Testament, we read how Ananias had a vision instructing him to go and pray for a man named Saul from Taurus (who became Paul)

Cornelius had a vision of an angelical visitor and was told to send for Peter.

Noticeably, Ananias and Cornelius were not the original 12 apostles ~~ hence, dreams and visions are for today's church ~~

discernment?, yes, ~~ defensive, no . . ~~

Re: "I feel led" Theology

There you are Shiloh - I was about to do a shout out for you! Everything OK? Kevin OK?

Oh, and right on Benjamin (so this shows it's not a thread highjacking

Re: "I feel led" Theology

Hi, NFJF!

Everything is going well. Kev is on the mend. Still a ways to go but God is so good. Doing better than expected. Thankyou for asking. Just tired and trying to keep up with everything.



This is me on RITA right now...lol



Re: "I feel led" Theology

Thank you Benjamin, for clearing up any misconceptions it seemed to have gotten off track a bit. No one is denying that there are no Dreams/Vision for today because there are and I think you clarified that well. There have been Dreams/Visions posted on this site that were truly wonderful which I believe Glorified the Lord. All in All...if it does not Glorify the Lord then that Dream or Vision should be examined and tested, especially now as we are getting closer to the Lords Return for the Powers & Principalities of the air seem to be increasing their activity also, which means that deception is also on the rise even in the Church.

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I initially responded to this when I posted.

"I have been troubled by some posts (on various sites, not just RITAN) that almost seem to say that God uses your feelings and your thoughts to provide guidance, even of a prophetic nature. I just cannot reconcile that with the fact that the Lord gave us the Scripture for our learning, for correction, for prophecy - is His Word not sufficient?"

At first I thought Lavoietheway was saying God cannot even do this for an individual believer. However upon doing a more careful reading of the entire thread I see the question really is if God will speak through a "prophet" to the church at large, since we already have scripture. As the thread developed, there was more and more explanation on the need to test the spirit. I apologize for being hasty and missing the overall message.

As some have already explained, I do believe he can speak through prophets today.

Prophecy is speaking words of comfort, exhortation and edification to another person. I believe in addition to "forth telling" prophecy can also "foretell". For example, tell a future event for someone's personal life or something that God would like to do in the church at large . It can also remind or alert us of an event already prophesied by the bible. It must always line up with what scripture say and what scripture reveals about the character of God.

Because, God is relational ( he longs for us and is himself a "Trinity") I suspect he still uses prophecy, even though scripture is complete, so that we can learn to depend on one another, be humbled and relate to each other.

"two or three prophets should speak, and the others should weigh carefully what is said." 1 Corinthians 4:32
It takes humility to recieve a prophecy from God and humility to have a prophecy you gave be tested and scrutinized.

Also, hearing a prophecy from another believer can confirm to you think God is telling you.

In my other post I wanted to stress balance, that we should neither throw away prophetic revelations nor trust them above scripture. Too often once some people get off balance and begin to trust their experiences over scriptures, there will be a cry to "stick with scriptures" as in don't even consider experience anymore. I believe this also wrong. You can easily become pharisaic if you are overly skeptical of dreams, visions, instruction or moves that actually come from the Holy Spirit. This is equally as dangerous as relying only on your experience. You still resist God and can even grieve him by rejecting a prophecy without even testing it.

Of course I'm 100% for testing the spirits. But because it common for us to go from one extreme to the other, I believe this is why Paul said these words " Do not quench the Spirit. Do not despise prophecies. Test all things; hold fast what is good. " 1 Thess. 5:19-20

So, we can have the word and spiritual experience as long as we remember to test all things against the word of God and consult with other mature believers.

"Do not be overrighteous,

neither be overwise—

why destroy yourself?

Do not be overwicked,

and do not be a fool—

why die before your time?

It is good to grasp the one

and not let go of the other.

Whoever fears God will avoid all extremes"

Ecclesiastes 7:16-18




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