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The Outer Darkness Jack Kelly Feature Article

This weeks Jack Kelly article was great in that it addresses the parable of the virgins and shows how this is pointing to the second coming, not the rapture. Thought it was worth sharing!
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The Outer Darkness
Posted in: Ikvot ha'Mashiach

This Week’s Feature Article by Jack Kelley

I’ve received several emails lately asking for clarification of the term “Outer Darkness.” It’s mentioned a total of 4 times in the New Testament, three by name and one by implication, and always by Jesus. The term is not used any where else, Old Testament or New, by any other writer. Those who ask want to know if it’s another name for the place of eternal punishment, or if it’s some place different. And they want to know who’s going there.


The problem I’ve had in researching this is there’s no general agreement among scholars as to what it is, where it is, or for whom it’s intended either. There’s also no agreement as to whether it’s a physical location or a state of being. The phrase outer darkness literally means, “outside, where there’s no light”. The Greek word for darkness can be used metaphorically to mean obscurity, which is the condition of being unknown. And there’s also a sense in which spiritual ignorance or blindness can apply. An accompanying phrase describes it as a place of weeping and gnashing of teeth, which denotes extreme anguish and utter despair. No matter what else you think about it, the Outer Darkness is definitely not a nice place to be.

For many generations it was simply thought to be another name for Hell. But Hell, or more accurately Hades, is not a permanent destination. It’s a temporary one that will be thrown into the Lake of Fire at the end of the Millennium (Rev. 20:14). To me, the concept of utter despair denotes permanence.

So let’s take another look at its four appearances to see if we can answer some of the lingering questions about the Outer Darkness.

Matt. 8:12.
When Jesus had entered Capernaum, a centurion came to him, asking for help. “Lord,” he said, “my servant lies at home paralyzed and in terrible suffering.”

Jesus said to him, “I will go and heal him.”

The centurion replied, “Lord, I do not deserve to have you come under my roof. But just say the word, and my servant will be healed. For I myself am a man under authority, with soldiers under me. I tell this one, ‘Go,’ and he goes; and that one, ‘Come,’ and he comes. I say to my servant, ‘Do this,’ and he does it.”

When Jesus heard this, he was astonished and said to those following him, “I tell you the truth, I have not found anyone in Israel with such great faith. I say to you that many will come from the east and the west, and will take their places at the feast with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven. But the subjects of the kingdom will be thrown outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” (Matt. 8:5-12)

In His first reference to the Outer Darkness, Jesus was clearly speaking to and about Israel. He was criticizing the Jews for letting a Gentile Roman soldier demonstrate a stronger faith in Him than they had. He said that their lack of faith would result in people from all over the world (Gentiles) inheriting the Kingdom, while the Jews, who were the Kingdom’s subjects, would be thrown into the Outer Darkness, a place of weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Israel was then (and will be again) God’s Kingdom on Earth. The Lord repeated His warning to them in Matt. 21:43 when He said, “Therefore I tell you that the Kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit.” It’s obvious that the Lord believed they were the subjects of the Kingdom or else why would He threaten to take it away from them?

So in His first mention of the Outer Darkness the Lord warned the Jewish people that at the End of the Age Gentile believers, like the Centurion, would join their patriarchs at the Wedding Feast while they themselves sat outside in the darkness for failing to recognize their Messiah.

Matt 22:13
Jesus spoke to them again in parables, saying: “The kingdom of heaven is like a king who prepared a wedding banquet for his son. He sent his servants to those who had been invited to the banquet to tell them to come, but they refused to come.

“Then he sent some more servants and said, ‘Tell those who have been invited that I have prepared my dinner: My oxen and fattened cattle have been butchered, and everything is ready. Come to the wedding banquet.’

“But they paid no attention and went off—one to his field, another to his business. The rest seized his servants, mistreated them and killed them. The king was enraged. He sent his army and destroyed those murderers and burned their city.

“Then he said to his servants, ‘The wedding banquet is ready, but those I invited did not deserve to come. Go to the street corners and invite to the banquet anyone you find.’ So the servants went out into the streets and gathered all the people they could find, both good and bad, and the wedding hall was filled with guests. “But when the king came in to see the guests, he noticed a man there who was not wearing wedding clothes. ‘Friend,’ he asked, ‘how did you get in here without wedding clothes?’ The man was speechless.

“Then the king told the attendants, ‘Tie him hand and foot, and throw him outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’

“For many are invited, but few are chosen.” (Matt. 22:1-14)

This is the parable of the Wedding Banquet, and there are three things to keep in mind here. First, the bride is never mentioned in this parable. Second, a bride is not considered a guest and could never be thrown out of her own wedding. And third, the banquet follows the wedding, so in the context of the parable the wedding has already taken place.

To accept the view that this parable is about the Church you have to start with the belief that some in the Church will become the Bride of Christ while others will not. But the Bible never even hints of that. It’s a man made conclusion without any Biblical support. If we’re saved, we’re in the church and are the Bride of Christ. If we’re not, we’re not.

In parables everything is symbolic of something else, and the Bible always explains what they stand for. Isaiah 61:10 explains that the wedding clothes represent righteousness;

I delight greatly in the LORD; my soul rejoices in my God. For he has clothed me with garments of salvation and arrayed me in a robe of righteousness, as a bridegroom adorns his head like a priest, and as a bride adorns herself with her jewels.

Here’s how I see it. In Rev. 16:15, just after the 6th Bowl judgment and long after the church has departed, the Lord said, “Behold, I come like a thief! Blessed is he who stays awake and keeps his clothes with him, so that he may not go naked and be shamefully exposed.”

He was alluding to the fact that the Doctrine of Eternal Security expires with the Rapture, a fact that Jesus taught in the Parable of the 10 Virgins. Tribulation believers will be saved by faith, just like everyone else, but will be responsible for keeping themselves saved, or as John said, keeping their clothes with them. Rev. 14:12 says they will do this by obeying God’s commandments and remaining faithful to Jesus.

The man ejected from the banquet was a last minute guest. He represents tribulation survivors who are not part of the Church. He was trying to receive the blessing of those invited to the wedding feast that occurs at the time of the 2nd Coming (Rev. 19:9). But He either hadn’t remained faithful and had lost his salvation, or never was saved at all. Remember the servants invited both the “good” and the “bad” and it isn’t clear whether this man had wedding clothes and lost them, or never had them in the first place. When he tried to gain entrance into the banquet, he was discovered and ejected.

So the 2nd reference applies to unbelieving survivors from the Great Tribulation who will be denied a place in the Kingdom for lack of the righteousness that comes by faith, and banished to the Outer Darkness instead.

Matt. 24:51
Who then is the faithful and wise servant, whom the master has put in charge of the servants in his household to give them their food at the proper time? It will be good for that servant whose master finds him doing so when he returns. I tell you the truth, he will put him in charge of all his possessions.

But suppose that servant is wicked and says to himself, ‘My master is staying away a long time,’ and he then begins to beat his fellow servants and to eat and drink with drunkards. The master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he is not aware of. He will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. (Matt. 24:45-51)

The Parable of the Servants has only an implied reference to the Outer Darkness, calling it a place for hypocrites where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Since that phrase accompanies every other mention of the Outer Darkness, I think it’s safe to include it in our study. The timing of this parable was established as early as Matt. 24:29-30 which makes every thing that follows pertain to those on Earth at the time of the 2nd Coming. As a matter of fact, all the Olivet Discourse parables describe the destinies of Tribulation Survivors. You can easily confirm this by also looking at Matt. 24:36-37, Matt. 25:1, and Matt. 25:14.

This parable is about those who will have held positions of spiritual leadership during the Great Tribulation. In the Millennial Kingdom, the Lord will elevate to a place of authority leaders who have kept the word of God through the intense hardship and persecution of the times, and have taught sound doctrine to the flocks entrusted to them. (Remember, no Tribulation survivor will enter the New Jerusalem, but will dwell on Earth during the Lord’s Millennial reign.)

But having forsaken the truth, the wicked servants no will longer be watching for the Lord’s return, ignoring the obvious fulfillment of prophecy all around them and ridiculing those whose child-like faith sustains them. They are the worst of all enemies because they’ll look and sound like friends. They’re like the one John describes as appearing to have the authority of the Lamb but who speaks the words of the Dragon (Rev. 13:11). The Greek word translated hypocrite was often used to describe an actor or pretender, someone who appears to be something he’s not. So for the third time we see the Outer Darkness as a place for unbelievers. In this case it’s those who have betrayed the trust placed in them.

Matt. 25:30
The Lord’s final reference to the Outer Darkness appears at the end of the Parable of the Talents.

“Again, it will be like a man going on a journey, who called his servants and entrusted his property to them. To one he gave five talents of money, to another two talents, and to another one talent, each according to his ability. Then he went on his journey. The man who had received the five talents went at once and put his money to work and gained five more. So also, the one with the two talents gained two more. But the man who had received the one talent went off, dug a hole in the ground and hid his master’s money.

“After a long time the master of those servants returned and settled accounts with them. The man who had received the five talents brought the other five. ‘Master,’ he said, ‘you entrusted me with five talents. See, I have gained five more.’

“His master replied, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant! You have been faithful with a few things; I will put you in charge of many things. Come and share your master’s happiness!’

“The man with the two talents also came. ‘Master,’ he said, ‘you entrusted me with two talents; see, I have gained two more.’

“His master replied, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant! You have been faithful with a few things; I will put you in charge of many things. Come and share your master’s happiness!’

“Then the man who had received the one talent came. ‘Master,’ he said, ‘I knew that you are a hard man, harvesting where you have not sown and gathering where you have not scattered seed. So I was afraid and went out and hid your talent in the ground. See, here is what belongs to you.’

“His master replied, ‘You wicked, lazy servant! So you knew that I harvest where I have not sown and gather where I have not scattered seed? Well then, you should have put my money on deposit with the bankers, so that when I returned I would have received it back with interest.

” ‘Take the talent from him and give it to the one who has the ten talents. For everyone who has will be given more, and he will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken from him. And throw that worthless servant outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’ (Matt. 25:14-30)

For a more complete treatment of the Parable of the Talents click here. The relevant points for this study are that like the other Olivet Discourse parables, the timing is after the 2nd coming, the judgment is on Earth, and the man who had his only talent confiscated demonstrated a complete lack of knowledge of and faith in his master. He thought of Him as a hard man who accepted credit He didn’t deserve and he was afraid the master would treat him unfairly. No believer feels that way about Jesus. His punishment was to be consigned to the outer darkness.

So in all four cases, the ones being judged are unbelievers and their punishment is to live in a state of total obscurity where they will experience extreme anguish and utter despair. The fact that there’s no expanded teaching on the outer darkness elsewhere in the Bible leads me to believe the Lord was speaking of a place we’re already familiar with, but describing it in a way that helps us understand how it will feel to be there.

Remember, the words obscurity, extreme anguish and utter despair are associated with the phrase Outer Darkness. To be there is to be cut off from the presence of the Lord and everyone else, existing in total obscurity. The dictionary defines anguish as excruciating or acute distress, suffering, or pain, and despair as a state of utter hopelessness.

That, my friends, is the consequence of unbelief. Whether you call it Hell, Hades, Gehenna, the Lake of Fire, or the Outer Darkness, it’s all the same and you wouldn’t want your worst enemy to spend even an hour there. 03-13-10


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Re: The Outer Darkness Jack Kelly Feature Article

To accept the view that this parable is about the Church you have to start with the belief that some in the Church will become the Bride of Christ while others will not. But the Bible never even hints of that. It’s a man made conclusion without any Biblical support. If we’re saved, we’re in the church and are the Bride of Christ. If we’re not, we’re not.
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I love Jack Kelly and think he is such a good teacher and very sound. I used to think as he, but no longer am I so inclined to believe that there will not be a separation at the rapture, however. I think it would be beneficial to make sure one is truly an obedient (wise) servant and submissive to the Holy Spirit as earnestly and honestly as possible. To say that the Bible does not even hint at a separation is extreme, because I've read many scriptures that hint at this concept, if not outright state it to be so.

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That was GREAT, Melissa. I could read Jack Kelly's articles all day.


I especially liked this:


Matt 22:13
Jesus spoke to them again in parables, saying: “The kingdom of heaven is like a king who prepared a wedding banquet for his son. He sent his servants to those who had been invited to the banquet to tell them to come, but they refused to come.

“Then he sent some more servants and said, ‘Tell those who have been invited that I have prepared my dinner: My oxen and fattened cattle have been butchered, and everything is ready. Come to the wedding banquet.’

“But they paid no attention and went off—one to his field, another to his business. The rest seized his servants, mistreated them and killed them. The king was enraged. He sent his army and destroyed those murderers and burned their city.

“Then he said to his servants, ‘The wedding banquet is ready, but those I invited did not deserve to come. Go to the street corners and invite to the banquet anyone you find.’ So the servants went out into the streets and gathered all the people they could find, both good and bad, and the wedding hall was filled with guests. “But when the king came in to see the guests, he noticed a man there who was not wearing wedding clothes. ‘Friend,’ he asked, ‘how did you get in here without wedding clothes?’ The man was speechless.

“Then the king told the attendants, ‘Tie him hand and foot, and throw him outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’

“For many are invited, but few are chosen.” (Matt. 22:1-14)

This is the parable of the Wedding Banquet, and there are three things to keep in mind here. First, the bride is never mentioned in this parable. Second, a bride is not considered a guest and could never be thrown out of her own wedding. And third, the banquet follows the wedding, so in the context of the parable the wedding has already taken place.

To accept the view that this parable is about the Church you have to start with the belief that some in the Church will become the Bride of Christ while others will not. But the Bible never even hints of that. It’s a man made conclusion without any Biblical support. If we’re saved, we’re in the church and are the Bride of Christ. If we’re not, we’re not.

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That's Jack — clear as a bell, as always. Too funny that you commented on this today, too, Melanie. I think the separations will surprise all of us — for the good & the bad.

Who can really judge any man's heart fairly & completely except the Lord?

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TN, When I found his website about a year ago or so I thought I had struck gold!! He has some really great stuff on there. I do agree that no one can judge a mans heart but the Lord!!

PS On a personal note - Happy late Bday!! Your Bday is the same as my beloved grandmother on my mom's side, whom I cannot wait to see in heaven!

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Here’s how I see it. In Rev. 16:15, just after the 6th Bowl judgment and long after the church has departed, the Lord said, “Behold, I come like a thief! Blessed is he who stays awake and keeps his clothes with him, so that he may not go naked and be shamefully exposed.”

He was alluding to the fact that the Doctrine of Eternal Security expires with the Rapture, a fact that Jesus taught in the Parable of the 10 Virgins. Tribulation believers will be saved by faith, just like everyone else, but will be responsible for keeping themselves saved, or as John said, keeping their clothes with them. Rev. 14:12 says they will do this by obeying God’s commandments and remaining faithful to Jesus.
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Hi Melanie!! I hear what you are saying. I agree that we should try to obey the Lord to a tee! I think what Jack is saying here is that post rapture the requirements to be saved are a bit tougher in that people will have to guard their salvation and endure to the end.

Hope you and your family are doing well! Hugs to you sis!!

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Melissa
TN, When I found his website about a year ago or so I thought I had struck gold!! He has some really great stuff on there. I do agree that no one can judge a mans heart but the Lord!!

PS On a personal note - Happy late Bday!! Your Bday is the same as my beloved grandmother on my mom's side, whom I cannot wait to see in heaven!


You did strike gold. I feel that way every time I read his articles:

Jack Kelly's Website

Thanks for the b-day wish.

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Melissa
Here’s how I see it. In Rev. 16:15, just after the 6th Bowl judgment and long after the church has departed, the Lord said, “Behold, I come like a thief! Blessed is he who stays awake and keeps his clothes with him, so that he may not go naked and be shamefully exposed.”

He was alluding to the fact that the Doctrine of Eternal Security expires with the Rapture, a fact that Jesus taught in the Parable of the 10 Virgins. Tribulation believers will be saved by faith, just like everyone else, but will be responsible for keeping themselves saved, or as John said, keeping their clothes with them. Rev. 14:12 says they will do this by obeying God’s commandments and remaining faithful to Jesus.
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Hi Melanie!! I hear what you are saying. I agree that we should try to obey the Lord to a tee! I think what Jack is saying here is that post rapture the requirements to be saved are a bit tougher in that people will have to guard their salvation and endure to the end.

Hope you and your family are doing well! Hugs to you sis!!


Hi Melissa! We are well, thank you so much for asking! I haven't talked with you in some time- trusting the Lord has you and your family in His hands, as well, dear sis! Hugs back

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Melanie
To accept the view that this parable is about the Church you have to start with the belief that some in the Church will become the Bride of Christ while others will not. But the Bible never even hints of that. It’s a man made conclusion without any Biblical support. If we’re saved, we’re in the church and are the Bride of Christ. If we’re not, we’re not.


I agree Melanie! Rightly dividing the Word of Truth!

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Melissa:
I greatly appreciate your posting this teaching of Jack Kelley – he has some very “sound” conclusions as Melanie stated.

Melanie
To accept the view that this parable is about the Church you have to start with the belief that some in the Church will become the Bride of Christ while others will not. But the Bible never even hints of that. It’s a man made conclusion without any Biblical support. If we’re saved, we’re in the church and are the Bride of Christ. If we’re not, we’re not.
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I love Jack Kelly and think he is such a good teacher and very sound. I used to think as he, but no longer am I so inclined to believe that there will not be a separation at the rapture, however. I think it would be beneficial to make sure one is truly an obedient (wise) servant and submissive to the Holy Spirit as earnestly and honestly as possible. To say that the Bible does not even hint at a separation is extreme, because I've read many scriptures that hint at this concept, if not outright state it to be so.

Just presenting the following for consideration for although it differs from Mr. Kelly’s understanding of this parable being about the church, it may clear up some confusion.

Why must the definition of Christ’s Bride determine who is raptured? (If I’m not mistaken 2HH warned us in another thread not to understand/see everything through a rapture lens?)

If scripture teaches that the Tribulation/God’s wrath is not for Christ’s body/the church but is for unbelievers only, then yes, the whole church would be raptured. (Scripture also calls this period the “Time of Jacob’s Trouble” meaning God’s focus has returned to Israel and that the church is no longer on His agenda). Therefore, because we are talking BEFORE the close of the Church Age/Age of Grace, whether a believer is considered part of the Bride of Christ (a type of distinction or reward)or not ISN'T the issue. Is it not at the judgment seat of Christ that rewards are determined/granted/handed out? Certainly it would make sense/be in keeping with God’s justice for those who have loved Him passionately and clothed themselves with the white linen He has provided to be given special recognition of their status as His Bride, but as members of His church, it would be logical for all of His body to be removed at the rapture.

As for AFTER the close of the Age of Grace/Time of the Gentiles – that’s another story as you already pointed out:
Melissa
Here’s how I see it. In Rev. 16:15, just after the 6th Bowl judgment and long after the church has departed, the Lord said, “Behold, I come like a thief! Blessed is he who stays awake and keeps his clothes with him, so that he may not go naked and be shamefully exposed.”

He was alluding to the fact that the Doctrine of Eternal Security expires with the Rapture, a fact that Jesus taught in the Parable of the 10 Virgins. Tribulation believers will be saved by faith, just like everyone else, but will be responsible for keeping themselves saved, or as John said, keeping their clothes with them. Rev. 14:12 says they will do this by obeying God’s commandments and remaining faithful to Jesus.
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Hi Melanie!! I hear what you are saying. I agree that we should try to obey the Lord to a tee! I think what Jack is saying here is that post rapture the requirements to be saved are a bit tougher in that people will have to guard their salvation and endure to the end.

Hope you and your family are doing well! Hugs to you sis!!

In other words, the entire BELIEVING church can be raptured Pre-Trib, people can still come to Christ after the rapture, there may very well be a second (Mid-Trib?) harvest (rapture of those coming to Christ during Tribulation who have made their robes white), and still allow for recognition (as Bride of Christ) of those who have been most intimate/obedient (“If you love me you will obey me” to Christ.

Seems that much misunderstanding/disagreement stems from 1 or 2 sources of confusion:
- confusing salvation with rewards,
and/or
- attributing those characteristics belonging to the Church Age with those characteristics applying to the remainder of the time determined for Israel –of which there is that one remaining “week” (period of seven years).

Am I wrong in understanding that Grace is for the Church Age, whereas the Law is what was in effect for the time preceding the Time of the Gentiles?

Salvation is one thing – that is a gift of God (Eph. 2:8-9); but rewards, (whether crowns or position as Bride), is that which we must earn through putting down of our carnal nature; it is something we must choose to do. Hopefully we choose to serve the Lord because we love Him and desire to be with Him won’t that be a tremendous reward in and of itself?


oh - my apologies for the winking yellow smiley - can't figure out how he inserted himself into this post...

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There is so much straining at gnats and swallowing camels regarding the body of Christ & the Bride of Christ that it is mind-boggling. God is not the author of confusion. He has made His plan simple enough for a child to understand - period. Why? It is due to His nature which is clearly spelled out - God is not willing that ANY should perish but that all should come to repentance/salvation. Repent does not mean groveling or crying continually but changing your mind. He is not trying to keep people OUT of heaven but to get them IN.

God who lives in timeless eternity created time and connected it to His creation of man for whom He had plans (Jeremiah 29:11). Time ends when that plan is completed and reaches its fulfillment. Then all who have chosen God continue with Him into timeless eternity.

Within that span of time, He has different dispensations or "planned times" dealing with different groups of people.

We are currently in a dispensation of time set aside for the church which is also the bride of Christ and body of Christ-all different titles -same group. During the time between Jesus ascending into heaven until He comes in the rapture, the church/body/bride of Christ is being completed. Whether Jew or gentile, once Christ is chosen becomes part of this third people group - the church. At a time only the Father knows, He closes the church age which will be clearly marked by the rapture or catching away of the bride.

He then turns to the final stage of His plan for Israel. During this time of closing out the book/plan for Israel, it will also be judgment for the ones who have allied themselves with satan - the 'god' of this world.

There will still be gentiles (non-Jews) and Jews who have not aligned themselves with either kingdom (God's or satan's) who, in the crush of judgment will be forced to make a clear choice. Those who choose Jesus will be put to death for it. They will be in heaven by the way of being matyred, killed for their choice. They will be guests at the wedding, not part of the bride. That dispensation will have been closed, completed.

Those who want to heap up requirements and create special standards for those who will/won't make the rapture, be part of the body but not part of the bride, are adding to the Word or interpreting it wrongly. It's become like an elaborate board game where if you make a wrong move, "Do not go past GO, do not collect $200 dollars". To me it reeks of elitism or hierarchy. The Bible I read says that God does not play favorites - He is no respecter of persons. So glad to know that I am accepted in the Beloved. Not special just saved by grace. Hope you know you are too.

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You know Texas Sue, I couldn't have said it better, I whole heartedly agree with your post, thanks for that clear cut teaching.
I myself get tired of seeing people debating or introducing new ideas about who is Christ's Bride and that the Church is seperate from the Bride and that only certain Christians will be raptured. Like you said, God is not the author of Confusion and doesn't play favorites, its either you are truly born again and saved or not.

Great post!

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Seems that much misunderstanding/disagreement stems from 1 or 2 sources of confusion:
- confusing salvation with rewards,
and/or
- attributing those characteristics belonging to the Church Age with those characteristics applying to the remainder of the time determined for Israel –of which there is that one remaining “week” (period of seven years).

Am I wrong in understanding that Grace is for the Church Age, whereas the Law is what was in effect for the time preceding the Time of the Gentiles?

Salvation is one thing – that is a gift of God (Eph. 2:8-9); but rewards, (whether crowns or position as Bride), is that which we must earn through putting down of our carnal nature; it is something we must choose to do. Hopefully we choose to serve the Lord because we love Him and desire to be with Him won’t that be a tremendous reward in and of itself?

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Hi New Creation! I enjoyed reading your comments and believe you have some very good points that you summed up here in this closing.

One area that I have a question on is will there be a rapture mid trib. I was studying yesterday and I don't believe that there is a mid trib rapture. I think that the saints that are saved during the tribulation will be martered for their faith.

I really could not prove scripturally that there was a rapture of the tribulation saints or the 144,000 witnesses. The only additional people that I could see being resurrected and bodily removed are the 2 witnesses that are slain mid trib in Jerusalem.

Again, I enjoyed reading your comments and tend to agree with you! Melissa

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We are currently in a dispensation of time set aside for the church which is also the bride of Christ and body of Christ-all different titles -same group. During the time between Jesus ascending into heaven until He comes in the rapture, the church/body/bride of Christ is being completed. Whether Jew or gentile, once Christ is chosen becomes part of this third people group - the church. At a time only the Father knows, He closes the church age which will be clearly marked by the rapture or catching away of the bride.

He then turns to the final stage of His plan for Israel. During this time of closing out the book/plan for Israel, it will also be judgment for the ones who have allied themselves with satan - the 'god' of this world.

There will still be gentiles (non-Jews) and Jews who have not aligned themselves with either kingdom (God's or satan's) who, in the crush of judgment will be forced to make a clear choice. Those who choose Jesus will be put to death for it. They will be in heaven by the way of being matyred, killed for their choice. They will be guests at the wedding, not part of the bride. That dispensation will have been closed, completed.
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Hi T Sue, Agree with you!!

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Melissa, I tend to agree with you that there will be only one rapture and the tribulation saints will have to be martyred for their faith. That makes the most biblical sense to me, but none of us can say for sure

I have been reading Jack Kelley's articles. Never really heard of him before this post, but his stuff is good - and different to me. It's giving me a lot to think about. He stresses so much that we are forgiven for all our sins - which of course I know in my mind, but yet my heart still keeps condemning me as not doing enough and not being good enough. This must be the struggle Paul was talking about in Galatians about starting our walk in the spirit, and trying to finish it in the flesh. Hmmm, lots for me to pray about, and perhaps some new freedom in Christ for me to find??

Galatians 3:1-5 You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by observing the law, or by believing what you heard? Are you so foolish? After beginning with the Spirit, are you now trying to attain your goal by human effort? Have you suffered so much for nothing—if it really was for nothing? Does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you because you observe the law, or because you believe what you heard?

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Diane C I agree with you! Galatians is a great book for the law versus grace understanding. I also was really blessed with Mr. Kelly's website!

We are truly saved by grace through faith!! There just is no other way! The bible says our faith is more precious than gold. I am thankful to be rich in faith (don't have any gold lol)!!

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Here is an excellent teaching on Law vs. Grace for any of you who are interested.

http://www.gcaarchive.com/lawvsgrace.shtml

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