Almost a quarter of Republicans think Obama 'may be the Antichrist' as 14 states sue over healthcare reforms
By David Gardner
Last updated at 10:23 PM on 24th March 2010


Americans who suggest Barack Obama should rot in hell are apparently deadly serious.
Nearly a quarter of Republicans believe the Democrat president 'may be the Antichrist', according to a survey.
An even greater number compared him to Hitler.
Just another boys' club: Barack Obama, centre on the phone, is surrounded by male aides at the White House as they plot healthcare reform this week in a new image released today. The President has been compared to the Antichrist

Mr Obama was jubilant this week after securing his £626billion healthcare reform plan.
But his triumph seems only to have inflamed his critics among the evangelical Christians from America's heartland who kept George Bush in power for eight years and have demonised his successor.
More...'This is a big f****** deal': Jubilant Joe Biden gaffes again as Obama signs historic healthcare reforms into law

More than half of the Republicans quizzed by Harris Poll, 57 per cent, believed the president was secretly Muslim, something he has consistently denied.
And 67 per cent of Republicans who responded believed Obama was a socialist, despite his central leanings.

The startling results came as lawyers representing 14 U.S. states filed lawsuits yesterday challenging an overhaul of the country's $2.5trillion healthcare system, minutes after President Barack Obama signed the landmark legislation.
One joint lawsuit by a dozen Republican attorneys general and a Democrat claims the sweeping reforms violate state-government rights in the U.S. Constitution and will force massive new spending on hard-pressed state governments.
Virginia went to court separately, while Missouri Republican Lieutenant Governor Peter Kinder said he would like to join the suit.
'A big f****** deal': Mr Biden (second left) gaffed as the president signed the historic healthcare reform bill

The joint suit, led by Florida, was filed with a federal court in Pensacola, according to the office of Florida Attorney General Bill McCollum.

In addition to McCollum, the Republican attorneys general from Alabama, Colorado, Idaho, Michigan, Nebraska, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, South Dakota, Texas, Utah and Washington joined the suit.
The lawsuit says the law - which expands government health plans for the poor, imposes new taxes on the wealthy and requires insurers to cover people with pre-existing medical conditions - violates the Constitution's commerce clause by requiring nearly all Americans to buy health insurance.
Mr McCollum said: 'It forces people to do something - in the sense of buying a healthcare policy or paying a penalty, a tax or a fine - that simply the Constitution does not allow Congress to do.'
Mr McCollum, who is seeking the Republican nomination to run for Florida governor, said the healthcare reforms would add $1.6billion to Florida's spending on the Medicaid health program for the poor.
The Justice Department, which is responsible for defending U.S. law in court, pledged to vigorously fight any challenges to the new healthcare law.
'We are confident that this statute is constitutional and we will prevail,' said Justice spokesman Charles Miller.
The White House agreed the suits would fail.
'There have been hearings about the constitutionality of the law, and I think there's pretty much widespread agreement that it is constitutional,' Nancy-Ann DeParle, director of the White House Office of Health Reform, said.
'I think we have governors who might be aiming for higher office who are starting to just send a message.'
The suits were filed just moments after Mr Obama signed the healthcare reforms into law.
But on the most historic occasion of his presidency so far, vice-president Joe Biden managed to put his foot in it.

Gaffe-prone Mr Biden inadvertently broadcast the F-word to America after he introduced the President to sign his much vaunted health reform bill into law yesterday.
After hugging Mr Obama at a a ceremony in the White House, Mr Biden leaned in and whispered in the President's ear: 'This is a big f****** deal.'
The remark was caught on microphones recording the event that was shown live across the country. By last night, the clip was being replayed all over the internet.


White House aides seemed to be unembarrassed, with press secretary Robert Gibbs later tweeting: 'Yes, Mr Vice-President, you're right.'


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1260195/U-S-healthcare-reform-14-rebel-states-sue.html#ixzz0jBq4fbPV

I read this story last night in the online version of this British paper, and thought one of the readers' comments was funny: "Calling Obama the antichrist is insulting to the antichrist. Obama is a common thug."

And this was from some guy from the London area. They get it. Why don't we?

I think he is worse than a common thug, I think he is a carnal Christian!

Here is something to consider, the biggest group of people that BO, I am guessing, appeals to are young people, muslims and liberals.

This is a big group of people that could be reached for our Lord with a very clear gospel message and maybe even a warning about the rapture coming from BO.

BO has already caused us Christians to see the nearness of the rapture!! Maybe the Lord is using BO in this capacity, anyway that is what I am praying for as these people need to be reached and BO is a perfect person to reach them!

Remember, the church is still in the world and we are still serving our Lord and our prayers are powerful!

That's what I say too.

Donna, I have said this all along and my thoughts have not changed on this.

God is a God of order and He has not, in my reading of the bible, called people to commit anarche in a country when they do not like the evil leadership. God uses a different country to destroy the leadership in the country that He is judging. God does not call for citizens to rise up and overthrow their government. That is just not His way from my understanding of the bible.

For example, even David, when he had the opportunity to slay Saul, did not and eventually Saul was destroyed and David succeeded him!

I believe BO's walk does not match his statement of belief in many ways but that does not mean that he is not a carnal Christian. I behaved a lot like BO before our Lord pulled my head out of the sand and got me fully focused on Him. BO's behavior is magnified to us because of his position as president.

The bible says that God is the one that allows people to be in leadership of countries and I believe God has allowed BO to be in the spot he is in.

Here is something else to think about. BO is the commander in chief of our Christian military. I do not believe he would allow the AC to be the head of our Christian military.

I do agree with a lot of the negative comments about BO, but at the same time God is not done here and it remains to be seen what God is doing with BO.

Hi Melissa . . hey, sis, if he's a carnal christian, does he get raptured? and if not, are we raptured according to our works?

That's a sincere question . . hoping you'll respond

Donna, If he is a carnal Christian he will go with us!

In my opinion a carnal Christian is someone who is saved but is still very much in the flesh and would be a baby type Christian.

My understanding of the gospel and the bible is that we do not go to heaven either in the rapture or at death because of our works. The only thing that gets us to heaven is our faith in Jesus and what He has already done at the cross, which is paid the penalty for all of our sins.

I do believe we get rewarded for "our" works that are done and really it is the HS working through us though, when we are in heaven! But our lack of works or abundance of works is not going to keep us from going in the rapture.

There is a verse that says even somebody that gives someone a drink of cold water in My name is rewarded.

What we do for Jesus is eternal and I imagine even someone that does even only one thing right will have a great eternal reward!

Thanks, Melissa for your reply . . . hmmmmmm, I gotta think this out . .

So, despite B.O.'s approving to murder babies in the womb, and his strong stand for the abomination of same sex relationships, and his stand against Israel's right to her land, etc., etc., . . . he's a christian?

Jesus says we shall know them by their fruits.

Well Donna, men are fallible, look at king Solomon who married 1,000 women!! He also took up with his wives foreign gods and I surely expect to see him in heaven!

The point is that the HS is working here and BO has said he is a Christian and he and his family are all baptized, or so I heard.

Only the Lord knows for sure! I am just trying to respond biblically in the situation, and for me that is to keep praying!


Def. of fallible -
1. Capable of making an error. 2. Apt to be erroneous.

I had to look up that word and thought it sounded kind of funny but true!

Thank God that He is in charge here. Amen

Good to see some people are waking up to the situation, at least, Sue. What in the world does it take for people to recognize evil when they see it!

I'm glad we can stay in discussion, Melissa, cuz it's serious stuff we're talking about.

what about Hitler, he said he was christian, too . .

Donna, You cannot really compare the two! Obviously Hitler was not a Christian! He actually believed in Darwin's theory from my understanding and thought he was helping to get rid of what he saw as the weak in society. (sick to the core)

Also, you are right, it is very serious stuff and this has been my opinion for quite a while, and that is why I spoke up because of the seriousness of the Church's role here.

Things are not over yet and I guess we will just have to await the final outcome.

I have learned to trust in our Lord and pray and wait!

Babies are the weakest of all, and BO approves of their deaths, . .

still, BO SAYS he's christian

Hitler SAID he was a christian

see my point, sis? .

If OB is the AC, the Lord has allowed this...The Lord however has made it very clear that he will not be revealed (made known) until the one who is holding him back will no longer be..2 Thess.

I myself pray for him and his family for salvation and all who are holding offices in our country and around the world. The Lord is calling the shots and He says we are to pray even for our enemies (if you feel they are your enemies).

I do not personally feel that OB is the AC...too ob vious....he may very well be like John the Babtist was to Jesus...the forerunner. Again, during the Tribulation there are many that will then believe on the Lord and none of us know who they may be including OB and his family....he has many of his own praying for him and from what I understand he has been searching...only God knows his heart or anyone elses.

WAY BACK WHEN, THEY THOUGHT ROOSEVELT WAS THE AC..Hitler, Arafat, Kennedy (possibly) Clinton very likely at the time, many Bush and now OB. Whoever it is, the Lord has him hidden, for if the person who is begins to hear or think her was, it would change God's program.

Just because the Republicans think OB maybe the AC does not make him so. I am not saying he may be...but I do not feel the Lord wants us to pin that title on him without our knowing for sure...He is well aware of every message we place here. Perhaps at this point He wants us to know, but I have my doubts here. I do know that when Clinton was Pres. there were tapes out saying and almost proving he was the one and I am sure many Repblicans including myself thought he was...Who knows, maybe Clinton still will be...He is very active in every phase of our lives. When we are raptured I am sure the Lord will reveal who he is to us and we may all be very surprised.

One thing we know that whoever the AC will be he will be a military man, that is he will believe in war. BO was never in any war and he is not necessarily for war unless totally necessary. Read throughout the Bib le the description of the AC and in many ways he does not fit the qualifications of him.

MARANATHA..Virginia

Email: varnke@roadrunner.com

Website: RITA

Donna, I truly see your point!

The point that I am trying to make is that God is in charge, He allows rulers to be rulers for His purposes.

I will just keep praying and waiting on the Lord on this outcome!

...but I do not feel the Lord wants us to pin that title on him without our knowing for sure..
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Virginia, This is the other point that I was trying to make!!

Here are videos with 7 reasons why he is not a christian. Warning some of the videos contain graphic imagery of abortion, violence and homosexuality. But they make some very good points.

Thanks Knight Michael - evil all over this guy! He lives and breaths darkness and lies, lies, and more lies. By the way, where IS the birth certificate? Why the lies?! Revelation clearly says that outside are everyone who loves and practices a lie.
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This was posted on Stan Deyo yesterday - but note it is a vision from Feb. 2009 - over a year ago.

"Obama The Golden Statue

Chercheng Xiong

Winder, Georgia


February 04, 2009

On January 19, I fast and pray. I didn't even pray for Obama or any other former president, instead, I pray for the people in my church, I pray for me to want to know the Lord more than ever and I pray to have a strong desire to tell other people about the Lord Jesus .


On January 19, 2009 that night I have a dream, in that dream I saw the earth was covered with darkness and in the mid of the darkness, I saw a large beam of light shining like a very high power lamp all over a vast area. I began to wonder about that large light. I heard a voice from above telling me 3 times to focus on the lighted area. I turned and look carefully toward that lighted area, in the mid of the light I saw a huge golden statue, that golden statue was the shining lamp to all those vast area, and along with this huge golden statue there were many smaller statues placed beside with this big one as a straight line, from the largest to the smallest statue. However, those smaller statues have no light at all but since the huge golden one were shining so bright that everyone of the smaller statues were also shining brightly.


I started to wonder and really wanted to know what’s the meaning of these statues because this is the first time I ever seen in my life. As I still wonder and keep questioning the Lord Jesus about the statues, I heard a voice from above saying, “ look very close to the biggest shining one, you’ll know its meaning “. Suddenly, the Lord magnified the statue I carefully look at it one more time at the golden statue which shining like a high power lamp and it is an image of a man but he is dead, his eyes were closed and there is no life found in him at all but somehow, I wonder why he is shining so bright. I began asking the Lord, “ Oh Lord, how can a dead image can give out light, please tell me what is this golden statue represent? “ The voice from above said, “ you’ll know in just a moment. “ Suddenly, I saw countless numbers of people standing around the golden statues. Some of them were there to worshipping the statue, some of them just standing there and wonder because the golden statue were so bright, some of them were so happy to be there because the statue were just receiving his new power and authority, some of them were there because the statue gives them light in the mid of the darkness. I started even more wonder and wanted to know what is the meaning of the statue, the voice of the Lord said, “ The shining statue that you are seeing is Barack Obama. “ Suddenly, a loud voice of a heavenly trumpet sound, a loud voice from heaven saying, “ any one that watch, worship, praise and rejoice with the golden statue and other smaller statues will never be caught up with the Lord in the sky but they all will be burned in hell. “ Suddenly, hell break and all those laughing and happy faces that standing around the golden statue were panic, running everywhere and crying for help. Hell broke and swallowed all of them and none of them were no where to be found, only a small group of God’s people whose name were rewritten in the book of life that were refused to be there to worship, to watch, to praise and rejoice with the shining statue were raptured with the Lord Jesus Christ above the sky.


I heard the loud voice of the Lord call my name and said, “ You are the same thing, if you don’t run as far as possible from the golden statue and other smaller statues, you will not be caught up with me. “ I start to run and run as fast as I can, but no matter were I go I still see the big face of the dead shining statue, I call on the Lord said, “ Oh Lord, please help me? I have no more energy to run. “ The good Lord lifted me up and put me on a far place beside a big lake. It is a quiet and peaceful place. However, far away from the horizon I still can see the light of this golden statue shining toward the sky just like in Las Vegas.


I was lifted up high and I saw the evil’s power covered the whole earth with darkness everywhere then I woke up with shaking and sweat. I started to pray and won’t sleep all night.


The next morning I went to work, I watched Fox, and Yahoo news, they said all the people around the world that watched the inauguration were about 1 billion. About two day later the news said, Obama turn around to give federal fund for human cloning research, and support the homosexual organization, and will fund lots of money to plan parent hood for abortion and will give money to welfare for those who don’t want to work.

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Sorry for my broken English, my name is Chercheng Xiong, I am an American Christian, Hmong man. I came from Laos, my denomination is the CM&A (Christian and Missionary Alliance) I go to a Hmong Christian Alliance Church in Winder, Georgia. My grand parent were none Christian. They believed and worship our ancestor’s spirits but back then there was no missionary in my country yet, my father were converting to Christianity by the Lord Jesus Christ Himself. To make my story short, when I was in the refugee camp in Thailand, I was very sick and died for almost two days. I went to hell, but the Lord Jesus Christ came to rescue me. He hold me on his arm like you hold a baby and flew back to earth. He put me on my bed, since then He is so good to me. I will obey Him all my life and only praise Him. Thanks, may the Lord bless you.

http://standeyo.com/index1.html

Email: Mehyndshaw@AOL.com

I totally agree with Donna, "You shall know them by their fruit!"

I pray for God's will concerning Obama because the Word says that God does not wish that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. If he ever did make a true comittment to Christ, he is showing next to no fruit of it.

Because Kissinger is seemingly grooming Obama for the new world order, and because I don't know how exactly Obama will play into that, I am careful how I pray. God does place people into positions of leadership to elevate and bless, but He also allows the evil man to rule. I don't know which it is here, so I pray scriptures surrounding God's will be done to do with Obama.

He definitely has negative, antagonistic, contrary, dictatorial, bullying, lawbreaking, power-hungry fruit going on, inciting the country to anger. And be reminded of the unsavory history and connections behind many of his czars, not to mention his favoritism of those in the homosexual lifestyle. A reminder of Romans 1 here.

Making legislation that would cause every American to take part in paying for abortions - God forbid! But he has done it! He said to get the last votes he needed to pass the health bill that he would sign an executive order so that it would not be in the bill. So why was that signing behind closed doors? I heard that it will stop our paying for abortions one way, but it will be sneaked back in the door another way.

And then our beloved Netanyahu! How insultingly he is being ignored, treated and demeaned! You can be sure the Lord God is looking at these fruits!

I would not want to be bearing these fruits and be thinking I would be going in any rapture. I would be deceiving myself. But it is right to pray for him, that God's will is accomplished overall. We can trust God, but I have no trust in Obama at this point.

Betsy - What an awesome vision this man had! Whoa!

It certainly witnesses I believe to what so many of us are sensing in our spirits, and with what we've been trying to say. Thank you so much for posting it.

Good points, Kolleen. It's one thing to reserve judgment in speculation whether or not this man is in fact the prophesied Anti-Christ of Revelation and quite another to be blind to the complete EVIL of everything he stands behind, endorses, and shoves in the faces of the American people, all the while stripping away our liberties, our Constitution, our sovereignty.
Please, we are to have discernment and act upon it. All this not calling a spade as spade is very sheepish imo. Even my four year old son can understand that anyone can say anything they'd like about themselves, but the proof is in their actions. A Christian, just because he says he is? That's not how my Bible says how it works. How about we identify other Christians by their holy lives? By their fruits of the Holy Spirit? I think this is proof positive of the fallicy and deception of the so-called OSAS belief that's so popular these days in the church (and goodness, I know we're not supposed to talk about it on here...). well, since he said a prayer one time and claims Jesus as Lord... he's a Christian. NOT

....alright, stepping down now

The thing that came across loud and clear in the vision was that he is being WORSHIPPED by people. Didn't we see that in the campaign, the election outcome and the inaugeration? First time ever in my life I have seen a leader of this country literally worshipped by people. The key to his character is that he RECEIVED it as if it were due to him and deserved it. That is evil to the core. Then of course there are all the other evil practices that he has endorsed and funded with our tax dollars.

In addition to that he has surrounded himself with people who are just as twisted and dark. My grandmother used to say that "birds of a feather flock together". She said if you want to know what someone is like take a close look at the people with whom they choose to associate. That tells you all you need to know. Antichrist? Looks like one but if he isn't the big AC, he has certainly come in the spirit of antichrist. Plain as the nose on your face.

BO is evil to the core, has no Christian attributes in him what-so-ever..

He's a muslim and stated so twice on ABC shows.. They have been on youtube for some time now..

He also demonstated the same last year by him, NOT honoring the Christian Prayer day, but was in the middle of the Muslims on their Ramadan day bowing down with them...

Does that tell you anything folks...

BO, couldn't wait to sign into law, the murder of babies, couldn't wait to sign into law, the homo-bill...

I mean I can't believe some of you people..

Well, Jesus said, "Love your enemies" and Jesus said, "Pray for this or that"..

You have to understand the over-all biblical context before applying the Word of God to any circumstance.

First of all Jesus was talking to Jews of his day concerning the Romans who were in control over them, which they looked upon as their enemy..

As for our country the USA, we are a republic, "We the People" - "endowed by our Creator"... It is up to us and by the power of God, if necessary to remove traitors from our high offices. First by ballots then if necessary by bullits..

Alexander Hamiliton stated, I can't remember exact words, "If they put themselves above the good of man,....... go to arms"

Thomas Jefferson states, "Sometimes if may be necessary to shed the blood of tyrants and the blood of patriots to preserve liberty"..

So the question is... Has the American citizens become so apathetic that they do not have the backbone to make a stand against these tyrants in the White House and Congress... (I think it's apathy)


As for praying for these scum.... Why lift them up, Pray and ask God to send the Angel of Death if necessary to remove them....

Why would want to lift them up and allow them to stay in power being in charge over you .... LOL If there is any hope for them, let them find Jesus after they are kicked out of power...

Talking about throwing your "pearls" to swine, these scum are worst than any type of swine.... good grief..



Where's the common sense... Do NOT take a few verses and try to appy to evil or to our country...

God has set up our country, the greatest country ever on earth, for his purpose.. It's all in Bible, find it. I have posted it many times here. God has an overall plan to legally throw satan in the lake of fire... Understand what's going on with the mind of God and why all this taking place, what our role is in this life...

We are now in the final days... The people of this country has 2 choices...
1) Repent and turn to God, holiness and righteousness
2) Seek government for their salvation..

Because man is seeking government for salvation, you know where the outcome is leading..

Again all biblical...

We are in the last days before the Rapture. When that happens what's left here... Evil people and foolish people that had a chance to accept Jesus but loved the world more.. (For clarification I won't call them "Foolish" Christians anymore)

The scenario that will be played out will be a great revival from those that knew of the "Grace" and missed it, verses the evil men..

I hope you can see what's on the horizon, it's going to be very nasty time for the earth dwellers...

I'm even thinking that there's going to be Nephilim on the scene (they may be here already), as in the days of Noah...


Joseph

This last post (Joseph/RJ) was by far the best post, couldn't have said it better myself!

Let us pray that a non Christian is not reading these messages for I personally think they are getting a little out of hand...I know we all need to air our feelings but should it be here? HE KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT HE IS DOING.

We are all looking for HIS RETURN...WHAT THE OUTCOME WILL BE IS IN HIS HANDS...HE IS THE VINDICATOR...

MARANATHA..Virginia

Email: varnke@roadrunner.com

Website: RITA

FROM 5 DOVES TODAY:

Dave Molina (25 March 2010)
"picture worth a thousand words"


An ultra-Orthodox boy looks at a poster showing President Obama receiving a
medal from an unidentified Arab leader. The Hebrew on the poster reads:
'Warning! PLO agent in the White House!'

Go, RJ!!! Awesome reply, easy to understand, . . . couldna' said it better!!!! Knight Michael, thanks for the videos.

He's not. Don't agree with him either. Posts like this only divide us.

Keep trying.

Angela

Email: angela.shaver@earthlink.net