So do you guys think that we will get to 2011 without being raptured? I mean, they are all talking war this summer for Israel and her enemies. We are in the 62nd year anniversary and if 70 years is a biblical generation, that would put it to 2018 from 1948 minus 7 years for the trib you get 2011. So it's either this year or next year right?

I'm not saying this is right, but here's what I think about it..

Jesus stated that he'd be back BEFORE that generation was over.. Not exactly on the 70th year or whatever year he had in mind..

But here's the one that I look at..

In 1967 Israel recaptured Jerusalem.. Add the 50 years of Jubilee (restoration) and we come to 2017 around Sept. Then back up the 7 years of trib. and I think you have it then..

Here's another Bible fact..

Eze. 4:5 . God states he is putting 390 years upon the 10 tribes of House of Israel.

Lev. 26:21 states that God will multiply times 7 of whatever he would put upon the people for their sins.

390 X 7 = 2730 years total.

Subtract 721BC when the Assyrians finally captured Samaria the Capitol of Israel ..

2730 - 721 = 2009

Since there's no zero between BC/AD at the Calendar change, this year is 2009..

What does that mean.. This is the year of God's set time for Jacob's trouble..

I believe the Church will be removed before the bad stuff reallly starts hitting..

I'm not sure exactly how much we might see..

I'm wondering about Obadiah though.. He shows that the Syrians, Hezbolah, Palestians are crushed before the Trib starts..

The Russian (Gog) invasion will happen after the covenant.. Because Israel thinks there's peace and then all terror breaks loose..

It is after this Eze.38 war that Russia and the USA are probably removed from the power scene.

This will allow the AC to go into the temple during the mid-part of the 7 years.. (Rev. 6:16)


Joseph

I'm still expecting something huge to occur in the next few days through the end of the year, however, if the "catching up" doesn't occur seven years prior to 2017-2018, the only thing left to consider is whether the rapture will be a pre-wrath event instead of a pre-trib event. There's too much in support of 2017-2018 as being the end of the age to dismiss it.

Email: Armageddon.thru.to.you@gmail.com

Josh...

On top of the massive amount of Biblical proof people have pieced together here & on other boards, I will say that the Lord told me in 1977 that tribulation would begin this year — 2010. I was 10 years old then.

He did not tell me when the rapture would be, but I didn't ask that question.

If you believe in the pre-trib rapture of the church, it is coming right up.

It wouldn't hurt to do some extra preparations like water, food & medicine just in case. As many have warned, some will not be ready. If nothing else, you would be helping your neighbors or others you know who will not make it. If you believe all believers will be taken before tribulation, it should be this year.

I agree. I think he wil come between right now and when he comes for sure. LOL.

I told Genes son today I am 100 per cent sure he wil come this year.
85- 95 % sure May - June.
but most likely May.

any day.
any hour...
any minute...

he is on his way.

R U ready?
Am I ?

Good Gosh I hope we are gone before the 2010 year ends...I have had enough of this planet and the people on it. I just want out of here.

Email: ljpoohbunny@insightbb.com

AMEN LYNN, I'LL SAY IT AGAIN!!!!I just want out of here too. Let's fly away home............

I suppose the movie "2010: The Year We Make Contact" takes on a whole new meaning, huh?

Funny...a "new heavens and new Earth" came into being in that movie, albeit a tiny model of what we have now, with Jupiter as the new Sun.

By the Lord's mercy and grace, his blood has made me ready. It's ALL about JESUS!

In Christ,

Mike

Email: mike@christark.org

Ya'll can believe it if you see it that way, but YES,
2010 will come & go, you will still be here, occupying
until He does come for us. Not looking for a ruckus CJ
and Scugg, but, lets us watch & see, day by day. As for war this year, could be, we'll see, its likely.

Timelines come and timelines go, we'll get there soon enough. Millions and millions yet in the balance, yet to be brought into the sheepfold. Many many souls in islam yet to be brought in, many daily watching the western satellite programs, and confessing Jesus in their homes, eventually writing to these programs and
acknowledging their faith.

While I am on this subject, many yet in islam to come
into the fold, any of ya'll ever talk to an islamist about what ISSA said in the sura where Issa son of Mary says: OBEY ME ! How would that be sccomplished,
Look in the Injil( The Gospels ) they are full of ISSA'S instructions. Ya'll ever go over that with one of them? They are out there, in need of the truth.
Ya'll DO know who Issa son of Mary is don't you ?

Later Guys,

Dewey

Email: jmcdudes@hotmail.com

Yes.

http://www.muslimministry.com has some great resources, including a tract that has the Quran verses that support the Bible, as well as Jesus as the Messiah.

One can take the Muslim from where he/she is and lead him/her straight through the word of God to Christ by the power of God's Holy Spirit.

Thankfully in Him,

Mike

Who knows? Perhaps the 144,000 will also be involved in evangelizing the Muslims.

Email: mike@christark.org

Pretty slim, I'd say. My mind was so much less cluttered then, & I could hear the Spirit quite well even at that age.

DITTO!!!

Hi CJ, first of all, there is NO clearly established date in the Bible for the Rapture ! None. You can see it differntly, as you obviously do. Bible codes aplenty on this subject, time will tell as to the veracity of the Bible codes.

As for the part about Issa Son of Mary, etc, do you even know what the koran says concerning Issa ( JESUS son of Mary in their religion ) its obvious you don't.
During our time here, we are to witness to them, or are they exempt from that ? I was shown a method of outreach to the people in Damascus, when I asked the Lord about those millions of people in that city and its suburbs when I asked the Lord about their souls and of Isaiah ch 17 getting closer, how could they be reached somehow, I won't share it here, its not likely to be received.

As for how do I know about muslims coming to Jesus thru satellite broadcasts, Sid Roth tells of it, TBN
tells of it, they receive the letters I wrote of confessing JESUS. And other public ministry means say the same thing, they are receiving these letters from all over the middle east, God TV, etc. Esp the GOD TV Channel, Rory Alec has referenced this several times in the programs I watch on their channel.

As for my posts being discouraging, after 23 May passes they won't be, remember the admonition: Occupy
until I come ? I do.

Has God spoken to me about these things ? I posted my
perspective on God restoring America one more time before the Rapture and it set off a big ruckus, perhaps you missed that one. Scuggers was all over it, mistaking me for some other guy, carrying on of this and that etc. I am 66 yrs on this earth, my time here is subject to God's review, as is yours and all of us, How did you obey my Son's directive to OCCUPY during your sojourn on earth Dewey is what I and You will hear some day, all of us. I won't be making many excuses on that day, none of us will be able to excuse our efforts, NONE of us.

I know some on this site don't get to travel across the USA and travel abroad, the Lord has blessed me to be able to do so, several times/several places, and the church system here in the USA is NOT what the church at large abroad looks like, not at all. We are looked up to, despied, cursed, and thanked, all of the above. So what? Yes, so what.....occupy til He comes wherever you are, as best you can while you can. What we see and discuss here in America has little impact abroad. Once we are Promoted into His presence, the former things will no longer matter, for now, they do.

Why do I believe God wants to Restore America ? HE PLAINLY TOLD ME SO.....late 2001 ! He at that time told me where The USA would be found in the Word, the Bible, and that He would show me other places later. I have not shared it here, its special to me, I can by
email, and I am not asking anyone to ask me for it, its up to you to ask.

CJ, do you have any knowledge of The Covenants GOD made with our Founding Fathers ? If you do, do you know that they ARE still in force ?

CJ, did the Lord ever ask you, " Do you suppose I
( GOD ) made a covenant with the Founding Fathers " ?

He did ask me that, 2004, during a time of prayer about my country the USA. He then told me that He would show me where to find the source of info concerning it. He Did ! If you are interested, or any of the others on RITA, email me, I will respond to you, whether you agree or not.

Bless You CJ, no hard feelings from my end,

Dewey

Email: jmcdudes@hotmail.com

Dewey,

If the nearly million Americans dead after the Civil War was perhaps a judgment by God due to our murder of Indians and enslavement of Africans, what do you suppose will be the judgment of God upon America for murdering over 45 MILLION babies since Roe V. Wade? And this continues daily to the tune of over 3000 per day.

If God does restore America, do you suppose it will be after great judgment? It looks like the love of our economy is already under judgment.

May the Lord have mercy. May our national leaders and population at large come to repentance and faith in Jesus Christ. I pray that happens. It is our only hope.

However, this scripture is still true: Matthew 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

In Christ,

Mike

Email: mike@christark.org

Hi again CJ, as for no Biblical basis why 2010 is not
the year for the Rapture, the Bible does also not say it will be in 2010. If you want to get heavy over this, contact me by email CJ, and You don't know of the covenants God entered into with the Founding Fathers, moving along, I answered you, I am not going
to back up for anyone, lets just wait until 23 May, OK. Again, we can take this under the radar, email me.

Dewey

Email: jmcdudes@hotmail.com

Dewey,
Do you by chance follow the KIngdon Now/latter Rain/ Dominionist teachings??? .They teach that we will "restore" and they'll be revival now,, etc...JESUS says we will be in the Laodicean Age when the Rapture happens...( now)..A revival will come after the Rapture and hopefully millions will be saved but mostly will die as martyrs for their faith...
Below is an article about what they believe....God bless u!



Kingdom Triumphalism

The 3rd WAVE

Many Charismatic's and Pentecostals that espouse the Latter Rain teaching see a sequential restoration starting from Martin Luther's time continuing through our day. They see Luther as recovering the doctrine of justification by faith, Wesley had begun the holiness movement. Tongues were given at the Azusa Street revival and the Spirit is now restoring prophets and apostles to the church for a new government. This is supposedly to lead the Church into her ultimate triumph of having dominion on the earth. George Warnock who was influential in the Latter Rain movement had explained the prophetic plan of the feasts in his book. He wrote that Christ fulfilled Passover as our lamb, the outpouring of the Spirit was fulfilled at Pentecost by the church and eventually Tabernacles would find its fulfillment in the last days by the Church. The Church would rule over the enemy as she has received all power just as Jesus received All power from his Father in Mt. 28:18. “Christ should visit the saints in the last great Feast, and minister His life 'in secret' before He is openly manifested! Christians think it is a horrible thing that Christ's second Coming should be spoken of in this manner. . . Christ is coming back again to be manifested within.” (The Feast of Tabernacles, George Warnock, Springfield, MO - Bill Britton, 1951, p. 108)

According to some, this new thing came in waves. Paul Cain calls this the “Third Wave” (as do Peter Wagner and others). There are various definitions to the waves. “The first wave was known as the Pentecostal movement,(p.16) the second, the Charismatics (p.17), and now “I see the Third Wave distinct from, but at the same time similar to the first and second waves.”(p.18) Although Wagner says those in this new move have not chosen to be identified with the either group, they are joined with them. (C. Peter Wagner “The Third Wave of the Holy Spirit.”)

Most of the participants agree it will “contain the good of all the previous moves (of God) and much more.” This will be all encompassing and will cross all barriers. When God “releases His mighty wave it's going to engulf everybody from the Baptists to the Episcopalians and from the Episcopalians to the Catholics and every denomination on the face of the earth” (Paul Cain, “God Speaking the Second Time,” Leadership Conference, Grace Ministry, 1990)

Rodney Browne, in his booklet “The Coming Revival” talks about revival waves and how you need to learn to read the waves; otherwise if you stay with the wrong one you and your board will end up smashed up on the sand.” (p.14) Cain says “Something's going to come so strong to you that you won't even know that there be any baptism of the Holy Ghost compared to the enormous baptism you're about to receive.” (Paul Cain, “Prophecy for the Vineyard,” Anaheim Vineyard, 2/1989). Something that is beyond God’s gift to the Church, which happens to be HIMSELF! What could replace the God of the Scriptures? What would be greater? What kind of a tidal wave is so massive that we are only seeing the first waves of its all encompassing affect?

The concept of a new move of God goes back further than the modern Toronto and Pensacola outbreaks. People have been taught to seek this “New Thing” since the Latter Rain teaching was presented in 1948. In remission for many years it was birthed again in the late 1980’s and early 90’s with a vengeance. Biblically what will happen in the future will be a replay of what happened on the real day of Pentecost. But what we are seeing today is not it! It will not be new in the sense of being different, but new to the people at the time. It may be greater in magnitude but not different in quality. It is to bring salvation to Israel in a very short period just as it did at the first Pentecost. It is for Israel, although others will be affected. Instead this latter rain is for the saved Church and it will clothe the participants with authority and power beyond anything ever thought of ... so they say.

Bill Britton, one of the early leaders of this movement, gives us the answer to what Paul Cain is teaching. Jesus our High Priest was anointed of the Spirit without measure - this same divine anointing of the fullness of the Spirit that came upon Jesus shall come upon the entire Body, until every enemy shall become his footstool. This anointing does not come upon babes in Christ as does the Baptism of the Spirit. This anointing comes at the time of the Adoption.” (Bill Britton, “The Pattern Son” p. 23) It is this premise of fullness and dominion that is now being promoted through numerous ministries today. A recurring theme is that the Church makes the earth Jesus’ footstool. Notice the baptism for the immature and the “new anointing” is something separate for the spiritually mature. The unbiblical distinction of baptism and adoption is the general foundation for the revivals we have all seen through the 90’s. Cain, who was formerly a Branham disciple, would be familiar with this and other teachings that came from this era. According to many Latter Rain teachers we can become everything that Jesus was. “Jesus was God in the flesh. We must be as He was in the world, even greater in volume and influence” (Earl Paulk, The Ultimate Kingdom,” 1986, p.121). The Bible says no servant is greater than his master. It becomes a completely different interpretation to make a believer who is to be a follower of Christ as a servant become more powerful than He.

In this new wave today's denominations are being enticed to come under the leadership of the new apostles and prophets for the church to enter this dominion stage. But if they refuse they are accused of rejecting the “five-fold ministry” mentioned in Eph. 4. The church in its infancy had God-appointed apostles to equip her and give doctrine that was taught from Jesus. Today many want the same positions as those Jesus personally picked and they make it necessary for the church’s survival.

In 1949 “George Hawtin and his colleagues maintained that much of the problem was rooted in unwillingness to recognize the validity of the ministry of apostles and prophets ... local churches (whose members presumably included apostles, prophets, teachers, evangelists, and pastors) should set apart their workers, commission their own missionaries and discipline their own members.” (George Hawtin, Church Government, 1949.)

Today guilt is heaped on those who do not want be part of this new move. No one wants to be classified as being a traditionally dead part of the old thing. Stephen Hill, who is a key player in the new wave at Brownsville, states “The second mark of a God mocker is a fear of confrontation and change. They are so stuck in religious tradition that they are closed to new revelation.” (The God Mockers, chapter 1, 1997 Stephen Hill)

We are told that we must listen to the prophets for revelation of God, otherwise the Church will not be renewed and have the life of Christ in it. Glenn Foster stated, “I am sending a whole generation of prophets to you. I am about to release prophecy on the church as you have never seen it before... I have a secret plan, and that plan is being unfolded here a little, there a little. Listen to the prophets — the little prophets, the big prophets, listen to those who speak one line and to those who speak volumes” (Prophecy published by the Sweetwater Church of the Valley, Glenn Foster, Life for the Nations, Oct. 7, 1994). One can only wonder how we survived for almost 1900 years without apostles and prophets. But the new wave leaders demean the church through history saying it has failed its commission and God’s best is saved for the last, and we are it.

Those Christians who had come to believe that a period of lukewarmness and backsliding in the Church would be a sign of the nearness of Christ's return were wrong - the era of the apostle, not the day of apostasy was at hand” (Doing A New Thing? 1995 Brian Hewitt, introduction). It is this change of what the last days will be like that gives the apostolic Dominion Now movement its strength and validity. Instead of a falling away from the faith they believe the Church is empowered to a level unseen before in history, greater than its beginnings. I’m sorry, I just don’t see this in Scripture.

Peter Wagner has written a book called the New Apostolic Churches which explains the new Apostolic Spirit that is raising international leaders. Bill Hamon states “Christ is activating His Prophets in the 1980's and His Apostles in the 1990's. Jesus is thrilled at the thought that His prophets will soon be fully recognized by the church.” (Prophets and Personal Prophecy. Page 28)

Fuller Seminary held a National Symposium on the Post-Denominational Church was convened by Dr. C. Peter Wagner, (May 21-23, 1996). Bill Hamon said that, “This was a historical occasion in God's annals of Church history. It was prophetically orchestrated by the Holy Spirit to fulfill God's progressive purposes of bringing His church to its ultimate destiny. . . the consensus of the panelists was that there are still apostles and prophets in the Church, and there is an emerging Apostolic Movement that will revolutionize the 21st Century Church.”

“What is about to come upon the earth is not just a revival, or another awakening; it is a veritable revolution. The vision was given in order to begin to awaken those who are destined to radically change the course, and even the very definition of Christianity.” (Rick Joyner, The Harvest, “Joel’s Army.”) Does God want Christianity to change? Is this a good thing? Was it not God who gave us Christianity?

Joyner also says “It will be said of the apostles soon to be anointed that they have turned an upside down world right side up.” (Rick Joyner, May/June 1988 The Harvest). Rod Parsley agrees, “Don't look now but there's just about to be a revolution. Things are about to get turned right side up.” (Breakthrough Jan. 7, 2000). I don’t want to make too big a thing of this, but the Bible says that the people complained about the original apostles because they turned the world upside down, does this mean the new apostles are going to reverse what they did? (Just a thought).

The promoters of this “New Thing” neglect to see what the Holy Spirit is doing in the earth today is what He has been doing ever since Jesus left and went to heaven. As He told us, “He (the Holy Spirit) is sent to convict the world of sin, righteousness, and judgment.” One of the ways the Church can participate in his work is to preach the Word in its truthfulness to see the same ancient results. However this is not what is happening and it is certainly not where we are being led by the new leaders of this movement.

The Immortals rule as little Christ’s

Earl Paulk “The completion of the incarnation of God in the world must be in His Church . . . Jesus Christ is the firstfruit, but without the ongoing harvest, the incarnation will never be complete.” “We are on earth as extensions of God to finish the work He began. We are the essence of God, His on-going incarnation in the world.” (Earl Paulk, Held in the Heavens 1985, p. p. 125) While there is no argument about the Church being God’s body on earth to fulfill his will, Paulk interprets this wrongly and goes much further than the Scripture does in attributing to the believer something that is unique in Jesus. He doe no t understand to incarnate means to be in flesh, and God came only once to be clothed in flesh- in Jesus Christ. We are not God in the flesh.

The rapture is mostly an unknown teaching in the Catholic Church today and many Protestants are taking the same route. It is losing its importance for evangelicals who become unbalanced in a earthly activism. The new focus is on an earthly inheritance for the church, further demeaning the hope of being taken to heaven. The land of promise is heaven which is our place of citizenship. It is the place Christ has gone ahead to prepare for HIS Church.

The 2nd coming is the great and blessed hope of the church, (Titus 2:13) however Peter says that at the end they will say: “That you may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us, the apostles of the Lord and Savior, knowing this first: that scoffers will come in the last days, walking according to their own desires, and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation.” For this they willfully forget: that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of water and in the water,” (2 Pet 3:2-5) Here are people familiar with the Scriptures they point to the fathers of the faith, then ignore the fact of a judgment. They are oblivious to it. If Jesus was coming why has it not happened already? This may be alluding to the Kingdom Now teaching we see today. He's not here, so we need to take over for him. Where is Jesus? It’s always been the same, we need to do something or we it will not happen.

Sam Fife, considered an apostle of the Manifest Sons of God, in his book One Corporate Man, stated: “In this dispensation of the fullness of times, God is going to fulfill His purpose to bring together into one, all things that are in Christ, both in the earth and in heaven, … When He has finished preparing this many-membered man, He is going to purge the earth of every other man by His Judgment Day, and there will come in a new age, and a new earth, with a new man living in a new order, where every member is so dead to self that he lives unto the rest of the Body, and that order shall perpetuate eternal life.” (Sam Fife, One Corporate Man (The Body of Christ), p. 22)

The similarities to those in the new age are striking. “Finally, you start the transition. . . During the transition, millions of members of the body AWAKEN TO THEIR POWER to be natural Christs, full humans in the model of the first person to manifest the next stage in the development of humanity. . . .”(New Ager Barbara Marx Hubbard)

According to some Dominionists, in order to effect this purging of the earth the overcomers must attain immortalization, thus becoming immune to any physical resistance to their program. Becoming immortal, and thus impervious to injury or death, will be the result of having attained spiritual perfection through obedience to the apostles and prophets. (Al Dager “Vengeance is Ours” p.96-97) Sam Fife, a leading promoter of the Manifest Sons of God teaching, taught that the aging process had stopped for him and when asked his age, he would simply answer “I AM”. He assured people that he would never die but was in the process of being changed into a incorruptible life.

“Christ won't come for the church until you see Christ in the Church until the Church looks like Jesus. PAPA (God) planted Jesus, He sowed Him down here in this earth to have a whole nation of brothers and sisters that looked just like Jesus and he will have it. His Son was a ALPHA SON, your children are the OMEGA sons and daughters.” (Bob Jones) The Bible teaches Jesus was not only the Alpha, there is only one Alpha and he is also the Omega, and we are certainly not Him. Jones cleverly switches the titles of Christ to us but they come with our growth process, teaching that maturity in the believers growth is what will bring Jesus back. The Bible says the opposite. We will not look like Jesus, until Jesus actually comes back.

“Each son becomes the expression and revelation of the Person of Deity. There is still only one Person of God, but He shall eternally indwell a many-membered body of like ones unto Himself, the extension and projection of His own Being. --- He says, “I will dwell IN THEM, and walk IN THEM... and ye shall be My sons and daughters” (2 Cor. 6:16-18). What, then, are those clouds with which, and in which, the Christ comes again? Why, bless your heart, WE ARE!” (Preston Eby “Coming With Clouds”)

Alice Bailey a new age apostle said, “If God is God, then His divinity will adapt itself to the emerging divinity of the sons of God.”

Contrary to what these people teach, immortality will come to those who are living at the same time the dead in Christ rise at the Lord's return to take His people from the earth to a place he has prepared. (I Thess. 4:13-17, Jn.14). Then from heaven, he will pour out his wrath upon the nations and many will repent. (The book of Revelation is about his judgment). This immortality, the hope of our salvation, will occur suddenly and will take effect throughout the Body of Christ, not just among a select few at individual times when they attain their spiritual perfection.

Earl Paulk has promoted the Latter Rain view for many years, “Jesus Christ, as the first-fruit of the Kingdom, began the work of conquering death on an individual basis, but we, as His church, will be the ones to complete the task.” “We have received the earnest of the expectation through the baptism of the Holy Spirit, but we must move on to the possession, which is overcoming the last enemy, death. Sometimes the interpretation has been made that Jesus Christ conquered death, but if that were so, why would Paul's epistle to the Corinthians, written at least ninety years later, say that the last enemy that shall be destroyed is death (I Corinthians 15:26) Jesus Christ conquered death individually, but it is left to the church to conquer death on a corporate basis. (Earl Paulk, “The Proper Function of the Church”)

Paulk asks, “Is it possible that there will be a people who so possess the authority of Almighty God, as Elijah did, that they, as a group, will say to death, hell, and the spirit of Satan, 'We will NOT die. We will stay here and be changed, and we will call Jesus Christ to return to this earth as King of Kings and Lords of Lords'? Yes, that is what I believe the church must do!”

Jesus Christ had the authority to say 'No' to death on earth, and He is waiting for us to come to that same authority He had so we can say, 'The last enemy - death - has been conquered!' [Paulk then quotes I Corinthians 15:20-26.] “Jesus Christ, as the firstfruit of the Kingdom, began the work of conquering death on an individual basis, but we, as His church will be the ones to complete the task. “Jesus said (Matthew 28:18), “all power is given unto me in heaven and in earth,” and the church today has that same power. Death will not be conquered by Jesus returning to earth. It will be conquered when the church stands up boldly and says, “We have dominion over the earth.” How else will God be able to show Satan a people for whom death holds no fear, over whom death no longer has any power? When God can do that, Satan's hold on us will be broken forever!” [Earl Paulk, The Proper Function of the Church p. 13)

“We are God's people, called to do the will of God in the world today and to see the King of Glory return to establish His Kingdom on earth! Jesus Christ had the authority to say “No” to death on earth, and He is waiting for us to come to that same authority He had so we can say, “The last enemy--death-has been conquered.” (Earl Paulk, “The Proper Function of the Church”)

The Scriptures Paulk is citing actually contradicts his belief that the Church will conquer death and this is serious error. I Corinthians 15:26 says, “For he [Jesus] must reign, till He (Jesus) has put all enemies under his feet. The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.” It is from Jesus' return that his enemies will be put under His feet. He is the one who will soon crush Satan, not the Church prior to His return. He must reign on earth for this to be accomplished. The Scripture teaches that death will not be destroyed until after the Millennium, unsaved people will be born mortal in the Millennium and will die, but the believers who already had their resurrection will be immortal co-ruling and reigning WITH Christ. 1 Cor. 15:22-26 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ's at His coming. Then comes the end, when He delivers the Kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power. For He must reign till He has put all enemies under His feet. The last enemy that will be destroyed is death.” This last enemy “death” is dealt with by Christ himself who in Rev. 20:14 are thrown in the Lake of Fire from his judgment at the white throne all taking place after the 1,000 year reign on earth.

The dominionist's take Scriptures pertaining to the 2nd coming and the Millennium and apply them to themselves in the present age. But the problem is they are like square pegs in a round hole, they just don't fit if one studies Scripture carefully. As Al Dager points out “What the immortalization theory fails to explain is how, if death is the final enemy to be conquered, there will still be other enemies left to be conquered by those who have conquered death.” Think of it, they still need to conquer nations and unconverted people even after they are immortal. Yes a little logic certainly does split the clouds of confusion on this matter. James makes it clear 5:7-8 “Therefore be patient, brethren, until the coming of the Lord. See how the farmer waits for the precious fruit of the earth, waiting patiently for it until it receives the early and latter rain. You also be patient. Establish your hearts, for the coming of the Lord is at hand.”

There are two conflicting and competing concepts. It is the new trend to think of the Church in a powerful way and this is not going away. Biblically the Church is not going to be triumphant over the world but individuals will be. God has promised individuals victory in their lives (to he who overcomes) but never collectively in the sense of ruling. There is a faithful remnant that stands for the truth and overcomes by their faith despite what the fallen world is throwing at them. None of this is surprising as Paulk was one of the first to espouse what the faith teachers say. “Just as dogs have puppies and cats have kittens, so God has little gods ....Until we comprehend that we are little gods and we begin to act like little gods, we cannot manifest the Kingdom of God.” (Earl Paulk “Satan unmasked”1984 pp. 96-97) I guess when you think of yourself as a little God you can change into an immortal anytime you want and take authority.

Waiting for What? Not the Return of Christ but for the Church to Rise up!

From this new move the focus of the church’s worship and service shifted from the words of Scripture to statements about the Church’s victory and power. We became all important for the initiating of the Kingdom, it depended on us. Instead of looking for our coming Savior we look to ourselves to solve the problems of planet earth. God’s glory now replaces the physical Son of God coming back.

The devil is too smart to influence the Church with an out and out lie. He will present a truth and have it out of context, such as wrong timing in this case. Imagine a teaching that could affect how people believe what will take place in the future and affect how they live today. This is what we have with the Kingdom Now teaching.

Christ won't come for the church until you see Christ in the Church until the Church looks like Jesus. PAPA (God) planted Jesus, He sowed Him down here in this earth to have a whole nation of brothers and sisters that looked just like Jesus and he will have it. His Son was a ALPHA SON, your children are the OMEGA sons and daughters.” (Bob Jones). this represents the Latter rain beliefs of many of the false prophets promises to the church today. The Bible teaches there is only one Alpha and he is also the Omega, and we are certainly not Him. Jones cleverly switches the 2nd coming with our growth process,

Hi Cheryl, do I follow the dominion etc teachings,
Absolutely NOT !

Dewey

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Hi Mike, I sure seem to to push the right buttons with
some folks, what is the big rub with God telling me HE
will restore America, and who said that I said it would be in 2010? I just said that GOD told me that HE was going to restore America ONE MORE TIME. I am the one who told ya'll that may 23 and 2010 will come and go, if any of you fine folks on RITA don't agree,
its fine, OK with me, stick to your position, I stick
to mine, and if you disagree it doesn't harm YOUR position, does it?

Its obvious that I believe that it will be before the Rapture, why ? I have been reluctant to share this with the attack attack folks, but here goes: It was made perfectly clear to me back then 2001 that Jesus was referring to the USA in John's Gosple ch 10 vs 16.
If any of you don't believe it, fine, so be your choice to disagree, have at it. Come on out and call
me a liar if you are so intended.

Moving along, " And other sheep I have, which are not of THIS FOLD ( the jews, Israel ): them also I must bring, ( at this point the Lord spoke of other scriptures ) AND THEY SHALL HEAR MY VOICE; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd." It was almost
1600 years later, but HE brought to pass the establishment of America, USA, 13 colonies etc. We are part of the OTHER SHEEP I HAVE. The USA early on
in its time on earth sent forth ministers and also many thousands of missionaires abroad, STILL DOES. He God, is not going to flush the single largest force in expressing the gosple to the world to satisfy those who are expressing and demanding judgement on America, and cause a huge slowdown in bringing in the End Times Harvest.

Moving along, did any of the judge America crowd before the Rapture or after the Rapture even bother to offer FAITH filled prayers for our country on the National Day Of Prayer ? I did, and will continue to do so. I looked at part of the crowd by TV, you know what ?! I saw Abraham's 50, 40, 30, 20, and 10 Righteous right there at the meeting, did you ?

OK Mike, next item, as for the Civil War, NO it was not over judgement for the slaves and treatment of the Indians, NO. How many on RITA, remember back in the early 1970's when the cover or seal came off of the Congressional/Supreme Court investigation of the causes of the Civil War....any of you remember that ? I know CJ don't, and I dare say most on RITA won't remember it also. After the Civil War was over, the Congress and Supreme Court held an official investigation into the causes of the conflict, and then sealed it for 100 years, ( just as was done when John F Kennedy was killed, sealed for 100 years )and the seal came off in the early 70's.

It was made clear, mostly ignored, and " who cares it was a hunderd years ago " that foreign powers, ie Great Britain wanted the USA back into its fold, The Great Brittania. GB interferred in the slavery mix, working to divide the country, push it into a devastating war, and pick up the pieces afterwards. They backed the Confederate States, who lost, and GB lost again. This info is available, but you will have to search hard for it.

As for the abortion issue, we are still waiting and wondering as to how this matter will turn out. How many of you know that the year Germany reached one million abortions is the same year Hitler was installed as Chancellor ? May God Almighty have mercy on our land, amen.

My offer to go over any of this by email is still on.

Bless all of you RITA,

Later, Dewey

Email: jmcdudes@hotmail.com

Ok great!! thanks for answering me...
GOD bless u and Ill meet ya after the Rapture this year

Hi Dewey, it's me scuggers...

If you get time, have a listen to these Reason being, the eliete keep pushing out the date to allow their plan to materialize....

There's no talk of rapture here but a major reason why evil men and seducers will grow worse and worse. We were the main target Dewey, go figure.

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Hi Scugg, nice of you to call upon me, as for the elitists and their pushing the date for their designs back, I believe its cause of a rather big sorta Dude, High and lifted up, Isaiah ch 6, who keeps messing with their plans, aw shucks, coises, foiled again, or something like that. Psalm 2, one of our favorites comes to mind also, I pray it often for the o admin.

Check you later Scugg

Dewey

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