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Okay, Bro's and Sis's, I am having a really hard time with listening to Mr. Boltz's music since he has left his family and is now living a homosexual life.
I know that the character of the Lord never changes, and this is truth, but the vessel that this has come out of has abandoned his Lord, his wife, his four children, and his faith, as far as I am concerned. All the while he was making his 16 albums, he considered himself gay, but had never publicly expressed it until 2005.
He does not believe that he has walked away from the Lord, but that he is doing what God called him to do, be gay, and that he is a homosexual Christian.
Stumbling blocks galore. Sorry.
I had to speak out about this because I am seeing well meaning Christians posting this man's music. Did you know that he is a homosexual now? I am not condemning the man, but his sin will if he doesn't repent. The Bible is plain about the fact that homosexuals will not enter the Kingdom of God. God didn't destroy 2 whole cities for the sin of homosexuality for nothing. He hates it, period, and that is why it is called Sodomy.
This is a 'blemish', a 'spot', and a 'wrinkle' on RITA. We are not to partake in other mens sins, and I will never, personally, share a homosexual 'christians' music with anyone lest that person think that the two can exist in the same temple. They cannot!
Ray Boltz is an endorsement for the mixture of homosexuality and Christianity, and it is a lie straight from the pit of Hell. This is another sign to me that we are truly living in the last days.
http://christianmusic.about.com/od/editorial1/a/rayboltzcomesou.htm
Jubilee - this is one of my ABSOLUTE favorites - thank you so much for posting as I haven't seen it in some time. This is a heartbreaker.
HTTL...
Why are you pointing out someone's sins? Most of the Christian singers I know have major problems in one area or another. That makes them human.
You should really check your heart, & pray for them if you have a problem with what they are doing.
Slander & gossip are not things the Lord likes, either.
TN Dove,
The Lord told me that this is the response that I would get. And this is what He told me to say.
What gender is Jesus? Whom do gay men look at in a sexual way? Is there a potential that a homosexual man would be sexually attracted to Jesus being that He is of the same sex? The answer is yes, and that is precisely what happened to the pre-incarnate Jesus when He went to Sodom to remove Lot and his family from that wicked city.
When He and his companions were in Lot's house, the homosexual men in the city demanded that Lot give them the Lord and His companions so that they could rape them.
Slander is the act of uttering false charges and misrepresentations against someone. I have done neither. What I have stated is public knowledge. I am sorry to see that you despise the holiness of our Lord, and choose to support people that have heard the gospel all their lives, and have shipwrecked their faith by choice.
You are guilty of the very thing that you are accusing me of for you have misrepresented me in your chastisement.
This is not gossip either. This man came out in the media of his own accord. He entered into that interview of his own free-will to make his choice in lifestyle plain. I am taking a stand against a sin that God hates. Music is spiritual. Satan is the covering Cherub that had musical instruments in his being and serenaded the Godhead. If the roots are evil, so is the music. You can do what you want, but if you don't see anything wrong with putting this man's music forth as something to look to for your salvation, go for it. Why don't we all share it with new Christians so that they can research who he is, and they can believe that being a homosexual Christian is okay. By the way, there is no such thing as a homosexual Christian. It is an oxymoron. Light and dark cannot dwell in the same place.
A little leaven leaven's the whole lump. If you want to listen to this man's music that is your choice. Putting it forth as holy is saying that it is anointed of God, and it isn't. People get wrapped up in the emotion of it, and that is not what salvation is about. Our salvation is about being separate from the world, sanctified and holy. Mr. Boltz is not. He has joined the ranks of the masses on the broad road. I will not pray for a man that knows the gospel and rejects outright the word of God. As for my heart, I have a clear conscience before God.
There is a place in scripture that tells us to deliver people that are taken in sexual sins unto Satan that the flesh may be destroyed so the soul can be saved. I deliver him unto Satan.
Thanks for the encouragement, though TN Dove, I really appreciate it.
Ray Boltz is an endorsement for the mixture of homosexuality and Christianity, and it is a lie straight from the pit of Hell. This is another sign to me that we are truly living in the last days.
http://christianmusic.about.com/od/editorial1/a/rayboltzcomesou.htm
I feel the same way, HolyToTheLord . . this is such obvious discernment, how can we ridicule your response as gossip, when Ray is happy to endorse his lifestyle, admitting his behavior is 'good' in Christs sight?
Ray Boltz is an endorsement for the mixture of homosexuality and Christianity, and it is a lie straight from the pit of Hell. This is another sign to me that we are truly living in the last days.
http://christianmusic.about.com/od/editorial1/a/rayboltzcomesou.htm
I feel the same way, HolyToTheLord . . this is such obvious discernment, how can we ridicule your response as gossip, when Ray is happy to endorse his lifestyle, admitting his behavior is 'good' in Christs sight?
How very sad. I didn't know this about him and that he is bold about in his public speech. The reason it makes me sad is that ot makes it look okay to be gay and claim Christ and leads them down a false broad road to hell. How many people caught up in this lifestyle will miss heaven because they are believing from Ray's example that it is okay?
This is a message that an Angel of the Lord gave to a prophet of God named Dumitru Duduman. The Bible specifically says that the wrath of God is poured out on the sons of disobedience because they refuse to acknowledge God for who He is. It is written very clearly in Romans 1. They make it up as they go. TN Dove I am sorry that you have refused to acknowledge the truth. You have allowed your prejudice to sway your judgment. I am always saddened how Christians defend homosexuality openly. We must choose who we will serve. Choose you this day...as the Lord says.
The message that was given to Mr. Duduman was given to warn the church that America is going to burn because the church has allowed homosexuality, abortion, divorce, and every other sin that God hates into its midst without repentence. He is holy and cannot abide sin, and will not overlook a sin that affects our entire society. Mr. Boltz clearly knows the difference between right, and wrong, and has chosen to believe that God is okay with homosexuality, because he says he fought it for years.
If I lie, or steal, it affects me and whoever I have lied to, or stolen from. Homosexuality affects the entire infrastructure of our society. They are now trying to change the laws as concerning marriage. God created marriage...not man. Who are we to change His order, His creation, His design? Homosexuality is insidious.
Below is the visitation. God is sick of sin, and I believe that this may occur here in 2011 as per some other visions that I have read. Time will tell. All I know is that we are in trouble as a nation, and abortion and homosexuality are at the core of sins that are bringing on this judgment, coupled with our unwillingness to repent of them.
http://www.handofhelp.com/vision_1.php
The Message For America
September, 1984
Late one night, I could not sleep, The children were sleeping on the luggage. My wife and daughter were crying, I went outside and walked around. I didn't want them to see me cry. I walked around the building, crying and saying, "God! Why did you punish me? Why did you bring me into this country? I can't understand anybody. If I try to ask anybody anything, all I hear is, "I don't know."
I stopped in front of the apartment and sat on a large rock. Suddenly a bright light came toward me. I jumped to my feet because it looked as if a car was coming directly at me, attempting to run me down! I thought the Romanian Secret Police had tracked me to America, and now they were trying to kill me. But it wasn't a car at all. As the light approached, it surrounded me. From the light I heard the same voice that I had heard so many times in prison.
He said "Dumitru, why are you so despaired?" I said, "Why did you punish me? Why did you bring me to this country? I have nowhere to lay my head down. I can't understand anybody." He said, "Dumitru, didn't I tell you I am here with you, also? I brought you to this country because this country will burn." I said, 'then why did you bring me here to burn? Why didn't you let me die in my own country? You should have let me die in jail in Romania! He said, "Dumitru, have patience so I can tell you. Get on this." I got on something next to him. I don't know what it was. I also know that I was not asleep. It was not a dream. It was not a vision. I was awake just as I am now.
He showed me all of California and said, "This is Sodom and Gomorrah! All of this, in one day it will burn! It's sin has reached the Holy One." Then he took me to Las Vegas. "This is Sodom and Gomorrah. In one day it will burn." Then he showed me the state of New York. "Do you know what this is?" he asked. I said, "No." He said "This is New York. This is Sodom and Gomorrah! In one day it will burn." Then he showed me all of Florida, "This is Florida." he said. "This is Sodom and Gomorrah! In one day it will burn."
Then he took me back home to the rock where we had begun. "IN ONE DAY IT WILL BURN! All of this I have shown you" - I said, "How will it burn?" He said, "Remember what I am telling you, because you will go on television, on the radio and in churches. You must yell with a loud voice. Do not be afraid, because I will be with you." I said, "How will I be able to go? Who knows me here in America? I don't know anybody here." He said, "Don't worry yourself. I will go before you. I will do a lot of healing in the American churches and I will open the doors for you. But do not say anything else besides what I tell you. This country will burn!"
I said, "What will you do with the church?" He said, "I want to save the church, but the churches have forsaken me." I said, "How did they forsake you?" He said, "The people praise themselves. The honor that the people are supposed to give Jesus Christ, they take upon themselves. In the churches there are divorces. There is adultery in the churches. There are homosexuals in the churches. There is abortion in the churches and all other sins that are possible.
Because of all the sin, I have left some of the churches. You must yell in a loud voice that they must put an end to their sinning. They must turn toward the Lord. The Lord never gets tired of forgiving. They must draw close to the Lord, and live a clean life. If they have sinned until now, they must put an end to it, and start a new life as the Bible tells them to live."
I said, "How will America burn?" America is the most powerful country in this world. Why did you bring us here to burn? Why didn't you at least let us die where ALL the Dudumans have died?"
He said, "Remember this, Dumitru. The Russian spies have discovered where the nuclear warehouses are in America. When the Americans will think that it is peace and safety - from the middle of the country, some of the people will start fighting against the government. The government will be busy with internal problems. Then from the ocean, from Cuba, Nicaragua, Mexico,,.." (He told me two other countries, but I didn't remember what they were.) "...they will bomb the nuclear warehouses. When they explode, America will burn!"
"What will you do with the Church of the Lord? How will you save the ones that will turn toward you?" I asked. He said, "Tell them this: how I saved the three young ones from the furnace of fire, and how I saved Daniel in the lions den, is the same way I will save them."
The angel of the Lord also told me, "I have blessed this country because of the Jewish people who are in this country. I have seven million Jews in this country, but they do not want to recognize the Lord. They didn't want to thank God for the blessing they received in this country. Israel doesn't want to recognize Jesus Christ. They put their faith in the Jewish people in America. But, when America burns, the Lord will raise China, Japan, and other nations to go against the Russians. They will beat the Russians and push them all the way to the gates of Paris.
Over there they will make a treaty, and appoint the Russians as their leaders. They will then unite against Israel. When Israel realizes she does not have the strength of America behind her, she will be frightened. That's when she will turn to the Messiah for deliverance. That's when the Messiah will come. Then, the church will meet Jesus in the air, and he will bring them back with Him to the Mount of Olives. At that time, the battle of Armageddon will be fought."
When I heard all of this I said, "if you are truly the angel of the Lord, and everything you have told me is true, then all you have said must be written in the Bible." He said, "Tell everyone to read from Jeremiah 51:8-15, Revelation chapter 18, and Zechariah chapter 14, where Christ fights against those who possess the earth. After His victory," the angel said, "there will be one flock and one Shepherd. There will be no need for light. The Lamb of God will be the Light. There will be no sickness, no tears, and no deaths. There will only be eternal joy and God will be the ruler. There will be only one language. Only one song. And no need for a translator! ... And, Dumitru," he continued, "a word of warning. If you keep anything from the American people that you are told, I will punish you severely." "How will I know that this is for real -that it will really happen?" I asked. "As a sign that I have spoken to you, tomorrow before you wake, I will send someone to bring you a bed, and at noon I will send you a car and a bucket of honey. After which I will send someone to pay your rent." The next day someone brought Dumitru a bed, and at noon a car arrived with the bucket of honey. His rent was also paid, as God had promised him. (See chapter 10, "THROUGH THE FIRE WITHOUT BURNING.") Then the angel left.
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Please don't think that I hate the man because I don't. I don't hate anyone because if we hate, we do not even know God. I do not know him personally, but the scripture says that to whom much is given, much is required. He has been given an abundance of scripture, and he will be without excuse. He has chosen to ignore the outright truth of the scriptures and traded it for lies that he is now living in. I will not endorse, nor be a part of this.
I say all this with no malice. I pray the Lord blesses you all this wonderful Resurrection weekend. Many will come to our Lord in that day proclaiming they knew Him, and did many things for Him, and they will be rejected. I do not want to be one of those people. The scripture tells us to avoid the very appearance of evil. I choose to follow the Word of God and not the opinions, feelings, or peer-pressures of man.
If we as normal thinking people with consciences understand the necessity to discipline our children, when necessary, how much MORE our Holy FATHER expects us to know He chastises?
If our children do wrong we confront them, It is needed to confront, to chastise, and correct them and restore.
It is the Word that washes. So it is the work of the Word to purify through the church by confronting practicing sin and speak the path of repentance and restoration.
There are a couple of other things that need to be highlighted here, and these come directly from the Lord.
By his own admission, Mr. Boltz says that during the time that he was making his first 16 albums that he hated himself, and that he was living a lie. So by extension the fruit that was produced during those years is stemming from lies and hatred, even though the fruit speaks of Christ, it has no part of Him present in it because the works of righteousness are sown in the Holy Spirit. This speaks directly to when Nadab and Abihu offered unholy fire in the temple. They were trying to serve before the Lord, but it was not ordained of Him, and therefore they were slain.
Do you think that Jesus says to himself, "Well, Ray was trying to serve me when he made all that music for all those years. In his heart he was a homosexual, but because he is singing about me, I accept that body of work, but now, that he is living what was actually in his heart, which is a homosexual life, I do not accept his present body of work?"
The other thing that the Lord spoke to me directly about is the fact that TN Dove, and many other 'Christians' that I have raised this issue with,
do not want me to speak about this. I am accused of being biased, prejudice, a bigot, a homophobe, and all kinds of other accusations. I will speak the truth, and I was not accusing, but informing. All of this is public information, and I made nothing up.
I have a homosexual step-brother that I grew up with, and love. I worked with a gay man for 13 years, and I loved him dearly. I witnessed to him, and told him that God looks on homosexuality as an abomination, and that he needs to forsake his sin. When you truly love someone you feel compelled to speak the truth to them because you know what lies ahead for them if you don't. It is hard, but if you really love someone they need to know what God says about their sin if you are the one that has the opportunity to tell them.
The way he chose to handle it is to start going to church with his lover. They now are greeters, sing in the choir, and are fully accepted in the Presbyterian church that they attend. They feel safe and justified in their sin. God forbid!
The point being that we are in the mess that we are in as a nation because the church, the one's that know the word, have compromised and become lukewarm. We refuse to actually believe that God will send these people to Hell. We have not cried out the truth, and just say we need to pray for these people. No...No...No! We need to stand up for righteousness and warn people that they are all going to likewise perish unless they forsake their sin and repent. We all have to repent. I repent every day, even for secret sins that I don't know anything about. If I sin, I have to repent. We all do. It is not our love that gets through to people. It is the word of God that will not return to Him void. I have loved people until I am blue in the face only to have them spit in my face. We need to tell them the truth as the word tells us. That is the only hope that anyone ever has to have the strongholds in their lives broken. It is the word that is powerful, sharper than any two-edged sword, dividing asunder the soul and spirit and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart. In short, it convicts people of their sin. When one is truly convicted that what they are doing is wrong, then they must decide if they are going to forsake their sin, or stay in it. They have to make a choice. God moves in His word and it goes forth and achieves what He wants it to as we speak it.
We have to get in line with the word of God and quit trying to re-write it according to what we feel is right, or wrong.
Let God be true and every man a liar.
Love to you all.
Sounds like posting all Christian music is off limits, then, guys. There's not one I know of who doesn't sin.
Nobody's defending the abomination.
But, I will be praying for Ray. Will you all? Have any of you tried to talk to him?
I guess I've seen the other side of too many artists because of where I live. It gives you compassion for them. I just can't seem to write them off, because many are my neighbors. I don't think Jesus has given up on Ray yet, either. It's not over, 'til it's over.
I agree, Donna.
But, I've also seen people just like him do a complete 180 in a week's time. The Lord can find Ray wherever he's wandered off to. Just like he has for every other major Christian artist when they get off track.
I don't think you people realize what the enemy does when you become a threat like Ray did. His music touched so many people. He helped to win many for the Kingdom. I'm so glad I'm not in the spotlight like that. Tough place to be for anyone & stay there long.
I believe Ray's songs did touch people . . . I don't think these knew his lifestyle, huh . .
Praise God when a sinner is convicted and repents, and sincerely makes 180 deg. turnaround toward God's arms wide open with forgiveness!!!
. . Praise our God of Mercy and Grace . . amen, TNDove . . that's why He died.
Amen, Donna & Steve.
I guess what I’m saying is it is a repeating cycle here in town. None that I know of are without major, major struggles. They're generally strong when they arrive; they put records out that are a threat to the enemy, & then BAM — they're taken out.
Then, a couple years pass... & they come crawling back to church. We welcome them back with open arms. I guess I just have a different perspective, because I see them @ the grocery store, as well as the record store on CD covers. Plus, I work with them daily.
I pray the Lord has mercy on all of us, & especially the ones who have to deal with the public all the time. That can be maddening — when people in the church idolize you.
Pray for the leaders & the musicians. None of them are perfect.
Exactly, Diane.
Someone must be willing to put the rocks down, & talk to brother Ray. That someone would be me.
Probably in a couple weeks, if we're still here.Please pray for me, too. I need it... obviously.
It's next on the agenda... if I can still remember how to teach him my rapture song.
The ole TN Dove is pretty worn out:
God has placed me in some really unusual places over the years. I haven't always passed the test. I hope I do this time.
Agreed with You Diane C as well as TN Dove. If Ray is a homesexual, surely he makes sin as it is against what Bible has said. I don't know how to explain it, but Ray's song like Watch the Lamb, Thank You and any other is a really touching songs.
I just wanna tell you, all of my kids crying when listening to Ray's song "Thank You" as well as one other which I forgot the title. The clip is so touching and make us dream of heaven in the hand of Yeshua. When Ray declared he is a gay, surely he has something to deal with God, as homosexual is surely a sin. However, his songs I guess bring many awakenings to people especially for me and my family. His song "Thank You" is a very touching song. If he is a gay, we need to pray for him instead judging him. He is in the wrong path but there is always hope in Yeshua especially as this person has produced a lot of songs which bring awakening to people of how they live in Yeshua. I don't know and cannot explain how this person (Ray) can produce those beautiful anointed songs and still live in the sin of homosexual. Only My Lord Yeshua could explain that. Meanwhile, I choose to pray for him instead of judging him, I pray for Yeshua's mercy and grace upon him that someday Ray will repent from his sin and back to the true path of life according to the Bible.
Melissa, yes we can judge, and we are instructed to judge. You know a tree by the fruit that it bares. You are another lukewarm believer that wants to think the best about everyone, and it isn't our job to put the screws to people about their sin when they are in the church. Wrong! We are the very people that need to tell them the truth! I say this in love, but Sis, you need to search the scriptures and hear what thus saith the Lord.
Texas Sue, I have thought of that River of Fire many times when I think of the homosexuals in my life that I have loved. How they are chained to the sides of the River, and are tortured by the fast moving lava, or whatever it is. It is an indescribable torture that I do not want to see anyone have to go through for eternity. That is why it is so important that we yell this message from the housetops! People need to know. If you engage in an unrepentent homosexual lifestyle, and it is a choice, you are doomed to an eternity of torment!
We can choose to have sex with anything. Veneral Disease came into the human race through shephards that were having sex with their sheep in the fields while they were separated from their wives.
I saw commercials for a movie called 'American something' where a kid was having sex with a pie.
The thing about sexual sins is that they are performed with our bodies, which are supposed to be the Temple of God. This goes so deep, and I won't go into it all here, but suffice it to say that the sexual demons that people open the doors of their lives to are the hardest ones to be delivered from, and to stay delivered from.
I had a friend that was delivered from the homosexual lifestyle. When I first met him he was extremely swishy. A week later, he was clean. Gradually, over time, I could see the sweetness creeping back into his life because he had not stopped going to places where he was exposed to sin. He is now back in the homosexual lifestyle full swing. He was delivered from it in a Nazarene church where he accepted Christ. Obviously he didn't continue to ask God everyday for a fresh filling of Holy Spirit.
To keep our deliverance we have to be diligent in staying on our knees and seeking God's face. Abiding in Him. It is a constant battle, and we are in a spiritual battle. It is a fight everyday. We are fighting the world, the devil and our flesh. Three against one when we go it alone, that is why we have to fight on our knees. With Father, Jesus and Holy Spirit on our side as we submit to them, we can be overcomers, but we have to submit every area of our lives to them, and that is where the rub comes in. As Ananias and Sapphira did, we want to hold back a part for ourselves. Something we enjoy doing, having, or being.
The Lord has stressed to me in the last 2 years that it is time to really get serious with Him and clean house. If we are as close to His calling the Bride home as we think we are...what in this world is worth having between Him and us?
Thank you, Kama. It is refreshing to know that other believers understand how detrimental this is to the holiness and cause of Christ.
Mr. Boltz is actively leading people astray, and I am sorry to hear that.
What you have just posted proves what I have been trying to say all along.
People that believe that they are accepted by God as homosexuals, and that He made them that way, are not open to the truth because they think they have it. They are the very one's that Romans speaks about. They have turned the truth of God into a lie, and are suppressing the truth by their lies.
There is a movement afoot to remove the book of Romans from the Bible. Not because of what it says about homosexuality, but because it tells us to submit ourselves to the authorities, and that there is no authority but that of God's. I am not even going to go there.
Thanks again for your wise words.
Melissa,
I am sorry that I have offended you. That was not my intention. In this instance I do believe many well-meaning Christians have lowered the standard of holiness the Lord seeks to be accepting of people's personages so as to maybe have an opportunity to witness to them. I have been guilty of that myself.
As Watchmen on the Wall, the Bible speaks clearly about if we do not warn those that are participating in blatant sin, their blood is on our hands. We need to make it clear to them that they are living in sin, and on their way to Hell.
I am sorry that I called you a lukewarm believer. I meant in this instance. I was not referring to your entire Christian walk.
It only takes a cursory look at the church to see that it is lukewarm. The Lord speaks to the Laodicean church about being lukewarm, and because of this He will spew them out of His mouth. Homosexuality, and every other sin that God hates, is going on in the church body, and I mean unrepentent sin, not falling, confessing, and moving toward a new standard of holiness in one's life.
Being popular and well liked is more important to people these days that being rejected for Christ. Everyone likes to be liked, and no one wants to be rejected. The pressure to be accepted in our peer groups is one of the ways that Satan keeps us from speaking out. Rejection hurts, but it is part of being a follower of the One that created everything, and then in turn was rejected by His creation.
I am only a Watchman crying out to those that have ears to hear. I am not here to belittle or berate anyone. Again, I apologize for insulting your walk with the Lord. Please forgive me.
HTTL, I am not angry at you and I certainly do forgive you! God bless you!
God bless you too, my Sister.
Just interesting, this thread has made 555 readers and 55 responses, I am the one who made 556th reader and 56 responses.
AngelHeart,
There is something God won't do, and that is violate His word, or our will.
Psalm 138:2
'I will worship toward thy holy temple, And give thanks unto thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: For thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.'
He honors His own word above His own name.
Psalm 89:34
'"My covenant I will not violate, Nor will I alter the utterance of My lips."'
Why do people always equate warning people about the path they are on, and the blatant sin they are living in, as hatred. Jesus did this more than anybody except maybe the prophets that the children of Israel usually persecuted and killed. Jesus cried out about this too. Warning people is the opposite of hatred. It takes courage and committment and yes, love, to tell someone the truth when you know they aren't going to like it.
What you say sounds so sweet, but the reality is that God commands us to be holy for He is holy, repent, repent, repent. He told Mary Magdelene to go and sin no more.
People are going to do whatever they want, and God allows that. Sadly many of them are going to wake up in Hell because they chose their way over God's command. There is a way that seems right to a man, but in the end it is the way of death. Proverbs 14:12 and Proverbs 16:25. That's right...the Lord put it in Proverbs twice to emphasize the point because He knows how we usually think that whatever we choose to do is the right thing at any given point no matter how depraved it is.
